The small topic of the week has been Christians and the tolerance of torture so I would like to throw my two cents in to the topic as well because I believe there is more to this than what we want to admit.
This all started last week when my Senator from California Dianne Feinstein in my opinion committed treason and published the CIA reports on our interrogation practices used on war criminals from the 911 attack of 2001.
When Feinstein brought those interrogation tactics out into the public she not only put every American in this country at risk she put every American dignitary and every service men and women in the armed forces that serve around the world at risk as well not to mention the free world.
Feinstein should be impeached, arrested tried and sent to prison for treason for putting Americans at risk.
Now with that off my chest let us proceed, I believe this whole situation of torture to get much needed information to find Osama Bin Laden is very involved and cannot be just looked over as a bunch of CIA agents torturing prisoners of war because president George W Bush said it was fine.
The debate should Christian’s condone torture is a no brainer no they should not but we need to look at what got us to this time in our lives that we had to use torture to keep our country safe and exact revenge on the over 2500 people killed in the September 11th 2001 attack.
There are two levels to look at, one being the political and the other being the Christian view and both are valid and important to look at so let’s precede to understanding how we arrived at not only torture but revenge
First we will look at the political side of how we got to torture and what could have been done to avoid it. It started back in the 1980’s when Senator Charlie Wilson from Texas saw how the people of Afghanistan where getting slandered by the Russians.
Wilson convinced president Reagan and with the help of some other military geniuses acquired stinger missiles in the hands of Afghan rebels to fight against the invading communist Russians.
This was a win win kill for America, our stinger missiles helped the Afghan rebels defeat the Russians and forced them to retreat from Afghanistan. This also helped the Americans win the cold war by causing Russia to spend more money on a losing battle ultimately killing the Russian government and loosing the cold war.
When president Regans term ended George H Bush won the 1988 presidency. When the cold war ended Bush 41 stopped funding the Afghans allowing for the extreme Islam to make their move in the region.
In 1992 President Bill Clinton won the presidency and in 1993 the first attack on the world trade center was tried killing 6 people and injuring 1000. In 2000 the USS Cole was attacked in Yemen killing 17 service men.
The 1993 attack was a declaration of war, the 2000 USS Cole attack was a declaration of war and yet President Clinton stood by and did nothing. What should have been the beginning of trying to stop radical Islamic terrorist in 1993 became the killing of 17 service men with the attack on the USS Cole.
In 2000 President George W Bush was elected president and 8 months in to his first term September 11th 2001 20977 people died when radical Islamic terrorist flew American planes into the twin towers, the pentagon and the attempt of what might have been the US White House.
This should have been stopped back in 1993; Bush 41 and Clinton should have never stopped supplying the Afghan rebels with missiles they were friends of the U.S. and were keeping extreme Islam from growing in the region. But because our Presidents forgot our Middle Eastern allies and did not declare war on radical Islam in 1993 or 2000, September 11 attacks happened and the US military went to war.
Bush 43 sent our soldiers to war but did not ask the American People to invest themselves in this war, we were told to go shopping and live our lives and because of this in my opinion is why we forgot we were attacked.
When prisoners of war were captured they were not interrogated in the battlefield and they were not tried and sentenced to death in the battlefield. They were shipped to American soil and that put all Americans at danger with this action, those prisoners were interrogated on American soil and I believe that was a mistake.
In 2011 Seal team 6 attacked and killed Osama Bin Laden and President Obama who like President Clinton did nothing took full credit for the killing of Bin Laden.
It was the tactics employed by the CIA years before President Obama was elected that killed Bin Laden not the expert foreign policy of President Obama or Hilary Clinton or lack there of.
As you can see politically this all may have been avoided way back in the early 1990’s but it didn’t happen. We had defunded the Afghan rebels with Bush 41, We had a week president in Clinton and we had and president that refused to let the American people invest themselves in the Iraq and Afghan war and for that we are here in a place where we had to tolerate torture in order to keep our country safe and try and win a war that Americans had forgotten.
In 2008 we elected a president that is undoing everything that we went to war for in 2001 and now Christians in the Middle East are dying, children are having their heads cut off for believing in Jesus this is where we are so where will we go from here.
Now the Christian view, in my opinion no Christian tolerates or condones torture. For a long time now America has been pulling away from God, sometimes a lot and sometimes not at all but for the most part America has slowly pulled away from God but God has not turned his back on us.
We legalized the killing of unborn children and our country condones biblical immorality. The world is starting to no longer live in a black and white world and our country is mimicking this by excusing bad behavior. Doing wrong is no longer necessarily bad and our feelings are more important than following God’s moral law.
As Christians we too are attacked and are blind to God’s moral law and his ethical behavior. We make excuses for bad behavior and we do in the name of God’s love.
Christians are being attacked not always physically but mentally and socially and it’s wearing down on some. God’s love does not include condoning immorality, it does not condone putting other God’s before him.
There is a time when Christians have to stand up for what it right, what is moral and what is ethical the 10 commandment are not the 10 suggestions.
The more Christians give into changing God’s natural law, his moral law and ethical behavior the more division we create amongst ourselves. Satan is convincing Christians that we should not judge sin. Since we all sin we should just accept one another as we are and sin equally. The 10 commandment are just rules to live by.
This division Lucifer has created is causing Christians to lose common ground with each other. If we lose common ground with each other we are no longer practice Christianity but only practice religion and there will be no ground to stand together on.
As our country pulls away from God, his moral law and ethical behavior we then lose our faith in our country and in each other. It’s a division between the people and the government and if we demand our government to be secular and not follow God’s moral law and ethical behavior then why should we expect anything less than torture.
Our country was once strong in God, our military was week but we continued to grow none the less. Our country is now strong in government and week in God in my opinion will continue to get weaker as long as we continue to walk away from God.
Bottom line is as a Christian you can be upset and mad about what this country has done to try and protect not only you but over 300 million people that live in America but the fault does not lie with one person it lies with all of us. We are all to blame for this and if we don’t stop walking from God but instead to God we can expect more of this kind of behavior to come.
The above blog popped up on one of the blogging forums I use on Facebook, it was posted by Christian Surf and written by Allen Clifton who I’m kind of thinking is not a Christian as defined by most born again Christians would define but I can’t judge his heart only God can
It’s a pretty negative blog attacking Conservative Christians mainly Conservatives in general, I read through it and thought I would rebuttal as a conservative Christians since he’s calling me out I’ll answer his call.
The first thing is he labels all conservatives republicans and defines them as being in a cult but that simply is not true. Conservatives just can’t vote for democrats, the Democratic Party is way too progressive right now and is just too much like communism to me.
Believe me not all conservatives are republicans it’s just that’s all we can vote for, no conservative is thrilled with theses deadbeat rinos that come up for election but we either vote for them and try and change policy with a moderate republican or don’t vote and deal with deadbeat democrats and their socialism you can’t win either way.
Some conservatives will refuse to vote for moderate republicans no matter what is on the line they have too much conviction to compromise with socialism.
The next issue was abortion, as a Christian Mr. Clifton is against abortion and thinks it’s wrong and that’s really good to hear, it kind of leaves a emptiness in your soul when you meet a person that states they are a believer but thinks killing an unborn child is fine.
Clifton feels if somebody wants or has an abortion well that’s none of his business and frankly it’s nobody else’s business.
This is where I disagree and think why most level headed Christians have the view of “we cannot condone a society that kills its unborn”.
It should be all our concerns that we have legalized the murder of unborn children; it’s too convenient to just dismiss something that is wrong just because you’re told it’s none of your business.
My question to the Christian that views abortion is nobody’s business but the person having it is how do justify this if you know it’s wrong.
Would you stand by and knowingly let a person be murdered, would you be more concerned if your state government decided to legalize the killing of adults that stayed on government assistance for more than say 8 years and now is a burden on society.
What makes the abortion ok because it’s none of your business, because the child is not yet born, it can’t communicate or do complex rational thought so it’s not really a living person.
When does it not be okay, when the unborn child is 2 month in the womb, 3 months, 5, 8 when is it not okay to kill the unborn.
Guns, Mr. Clifton does not like people with guns well I own a few guns and I own them for protection. If somebody is breaking into my house I have an obligation to protect my family and I guarantee the police will not get to my house before the bad guy has done his bad deed.
Christians also believe in the 2nd amendment and the constitution that gives them freedom to bear arms.
The reason why our founding father constructed the 2nd amendment was not to just protect from home invasion of some random thug but to give the American citizen the ability to protect themselves from tyrannical power of a government and from the average thug that would threaten your personal property.
No Christian wants to use a gun but its there if we need it because some brilliant men thought it should be your right to protect yourself.
The next is Homosexuality, yes I’m opposed to the gay lifestyle on a few levels one being it’s against what the Bible teaches us as a matter of fact the inspired word of God (the Bible) discusses this at least twice first being Leviticus 18:22 and again the New Testament in Romans 1: 26-27. Mind you this verse is not condoning the act of homosexuality.
I don’t think God is just picking on the homosexual there is more here than just two of the same sexes trying to act like a heterosexual couples. Homosexuality if practiced is unsafe, unhealthy and brings risk not to mention it’s has no design to reproduce itself.
As a conservative I oppose homosexuality because the lifestyle is destructive and anti family. Today’s gay life is in your face “you must accept me and my life choices or else you’re a homophobe or a bigot” this is a sexually based sin that has embraced the politically correctness for safety.
It refuses to acknowledge its hurting and is based in a lie, becomes unstable for a society that tries to be the truth right for all that live in it.
I personally have had dealings with homosexuality in my own family and I have first hand seen the destructive behavior it has brought to not only my family but other families that it has involved with.
It’s morally wrong and biblically wrong, God does care when people hurt other people and hurt themselves it does matter to him.
Next is giving to charity and why go into this I’m at a loss, Clifton said he gives the conservative the nod on giving to charity but states why should we since their church tells them to give tithes anyhow.
Not all conservatives are Christian so can’t expect all to tithe to their church. Churches do not command that we tithe to them. I would say if you go to a church that expects you to give tithing then you should leave.
What the inspired word of God does say is this in 2 Corinthians 9:6-7 I believe most healthy Christians practice this in give based on its the right thing to do we do it out of our heart not because a church tells us to.
He goes on and pulls the greed card on conservatives that we all just want to be rich and hoard the money.
Yes we want a free market and yes capitalism is the best way to do business in a free market but you’re talking about capital cronyism not true free market capitalism where the government lets society earn their own money by working hard and helping those that cannot help themselves. The opposite of all this is communism and I’m not for that.
Right now both our state and federal governments punish you for succeeding in life by taxing you. They use those taxes wastefully if anyone should get a lecture on greed and selfishness it’s our government.
Clifton states that different denomination interprets the bible very differently and I do not agree on that. Most Judeo Christian denominations that are healthy in the word of God see God’s word all the same.
They may have different doctrines and put emphases on some biblical practices over the other but most view God’s word the same. What Clifton is talking about is religions and born again Christians don’t belong to a religion they belong to a relationship with God.
Clifton then ask what makes a person a Christian, is it going to church, reading the bible. Clifton believes that being a Christian comes down to who you are as a person and how closely you try and live your life with the beliefs of Jesus Christ and that is a pretty good answer except if the thief on the cross had followed that definition he would have gone to hell.
Salvation is what makes you a Christian, John chapter 3 verse 16 sums up what it takes to be a Christian and belong to Jesus Christ.
It is why an Atheist is not a Christian, it’s why a Muslim is not a Christian and why a ton of people that go through life thinking all I have to be is good and I’ll get to heaven are wrong Matthew chapter 7 verses 21-23
At the end Clifton just bashes conservative Christians for enjoying guns, practicing greed selfishness and hate. My question for Clifton that feels progressives and leftist are more compassionate…where is the compassion?
AMERICA LOOSES IN 2016 BECAUSE THE GOP WON IN 2014
We vote today folks so let’s make it count shall we; the title of this blog came to me last night on my way home from work. I was listening to Glen Beck on the radio and he predicted the GOP would win the house and the Senate and that may be a bad thing. My drive is only an hour so I never got to listen to what he meant by that but I have a thought on what it means.
My thought is this the current leadership of the GOP is piss poor to say the least, John Boehner and Mitch McConnell are a joke for the GOP they may as well be moderate democrats. They show no real leadership in a party that once had both houses and lost it and now are on the verge of reclaiming the power again. I guess that is the word “Power” those two see this as the same as the democrats it’s nothing but power and what they can do to rule the concept of their democracy. Well GOP senators and congressmen and this is where you don’t get it. You don’t do your job for money and power and insider trading you does this to represent your state and your country. You work for the people of your state and you make and break your country with the decisions you make or lack thereof.
The lack of leadership is what got us president Obama and Harry Reid and I fear the lack of leadership again by Boehner and McConnell will yield us President Hillary Clinton in 2016. Problem is people vote big on their pocket book and they are easily bought into by lies and deceit something the Democratic Party is good at and something moderate republicans use to keep their own hope alive. We have to stop this voters, the GOP needs to win the house the senate and the presidency to keep America from slipping in to economic and moral ruin.
Yes the GOP leadership is crap I know but so is the democratic party, it’s more than crap is just right down immoral right now and if you opted out on voting today or yesterday if you absent “T” then you voted for Harry Reid and or any other slug running for office on the democratic ticket. Voters have to be strong and vote out these democrats officials that go along with socialized health care, allowing illegal’s to run amock while we the people split the bill. In 2016 no matter how week Boehner and McConnell are no matter how stupid your GOP congressman and senator is we have to vote for who the next Republican presidential nominee is because no matter how moderate they are they still will be better than Clinton or Biden or any other democrat communist that comes along.
Stand strong and keep the GOP together and after the 2016 election then we get rid of Boehner and McConnell, you vote out your lukewarm moderate senator and congressman that plagues your state and vote in a conservative American that will work for you the people and not their own power and pocket book. Stand strong America and be patient, we will have the chance to take our country back but we have to do it right. We can’t do it for ourselves we have to do it for our future, our parents, our kids and our way of life. Please today do the right thing, Vote and let us get this country back on its feet.
As was the words of President Reagan “There you go again” John Kerry has not only showed his lack of faith in God but now he is showing his full on incompetence as our Secretary of State.
Last Thursday TheRightScoop.com posted Kerry Stating if people doubt the science of climate change and we do nothing, in his quotes “life as you know it on earth ends”. With that said Kerry not only points out his lack of faith in God but his complete out of touch with the today’s world, this behavior also implicates president Obama as also being out of touch and lost for appointing Kerry to his position.
First off, whether you want to follow the climate change rabbit down the hole of unproven facts feel free. If you are not a Christian and lean left I get your urge to believe but if you’re a Christian then we need not be afraid of this world for God created it, God wiped it clean once with the flood but God has never tried to destroy his perfect creation. Second listening to Kerry try and predict the end of the world is moronic because he nor anyone knows when life on earth ends.
Kerry has shown us not only his lack of understanding of the United States issues but the issues that face the world. I think at this time climate change can take a back seat to oh say ISIS or Ebola or maybe both since our borders are wide open for both ISIS and Ebola to cross or enter in our country with or without a passport
We have a terrorist group killing Christian in Syria and Iraq hates the west and hates Israel. ISIS wants to advance its perverted concept of Islam on the whole world killing anyone that disagrees so much for a peaceful religion. While the death tole of over 7 thousand killed by ISIS Kerry I guess assumes if we don’t get the climate under control it won’t matter what ISIS does, the world according to Kerry will die. Problem is Kerry has nothing to back his ideology of climate change, too many science talking points disagree with each other. Kerry’s climate change would cripple the world’s economy most likely just bring us back to the concept of communism that Russia and China tried and that failed. Two countries still follow that way of life Cuba and North Korea is that our goal emulate those countries. And by the way ever see the pollution China and North Korea have
Ebola is killing West Africa and it’s spreading like a fire death tole has reached 4033, France the UK and surrounding African countries have banned all air travel into their respective countries for protection while Kerry insist climate change is our biggest threat. Now I’m not sure where climate change falls on the duties of the Secretary of State but sinking your whole resources into a weatherman’s theory is a bit risky when known proven threats like ISIS and Ebola are now the front and center issues of today.
I know Kerry has had issues with biblical quotes and concepts in the past but I believe if you are going to go that route and state scripture requires us to protect countries from climate change then you have be responsible for knowing those scriptures and know the bases of God and the Bible. Yes as a Christian nation we need to help our fellow people throughout the world but stopping the production of cars that use oil, stopping people using coal for heat and fuel is not the answer right now and most likey will never be the answer and I’m not sure where in scripture it is, ever read Genesis 8:22
Kerry has lack of faith and understanding of the Bible and the Christian faith and I also believe Kerry lacks an understanding on what to do with our current world issues of today. It’s that or Kerry has been ordered to stand down and not go against what the president has issued and ordered, either way you see it Kerry is showing his complete lack of knowledge or his contempt for man by ignoring the real threats and pursuing a unproven idea while real issues to our country continue to get larger and more unstable.
Over the last few months a few blogs have popped out over being a capitalist and a Christian, one was very negative and the other was more or less stating why we cannot get caught up in the concept of obtaining things over our love and commitment to God.
I am a self proclaimed capitalist and proud of the ideology that capitalism means in real definition not in the definition of what man can turn it in to. What I mean by that is capitalism is a good thing considering the opposite socialism/communism being a capitalist can be a good thing. The problem comes is when man turns his love from God and his fellow man to the love of money and the love of obtaining things.
In principle pure capitalism works and works well in a free market, if we are honest most societies in the west use capitalism to survive and if we are really honest most everyone whether in a free society or not will seek out capitalism to better their lives. Only a minority truly believe communist socialism will work.
I believe if we were all honest God loving people that really set out every day to help our neighbor that socialism could work. But since we are all born with different skills and personalities, some are type A some are lazy and some just have a mean disposition we cannot effectively have a true society that would work equal and fair for everyone. Somebody would win big and some people would lose big in a socialistic or communistic society it would be no different in a capitalist world except those who tried harder than others would never achieve what they deserve and we would always have those few that would try to exploit others for their gain and again it would work if we all did it for each other but because of what we are and how God has made us giving us free will we are all sinners and that just won’t happen.
When you talk about capitalist Christian in purely a monitory concept you would be correct in pointing out the negative aspects of the concept, but capitalism derives of more than just money and acquiring things it sets out an idea of making the best in one’s self and in the goods one produces. It’s when we take the concept to the degree of having more, wanting more for our own self indulgence that we start to lose the good in capitalism.
Jesus never talked or encouraged this kind of behavior. The mindset of doing your best trying to go beyond settling can be a positive thing compared the socialistic/communistic idea of doing better is not fair for others, on the contrary doing better allows others to achieve better.
The saying that was popular 10 years ago “the one who dies with the most toys win” has nothing but bankrupt a nation a society and individuals. This kind of capitalism is not what Jesus taught. Jesus once displayed anger when he caught the money changers cheating people in the synagogue; Jesus also stated “Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.” Matthew 19:24.
I believe the concept of capitalism is in most people, we can take it too far and practice capital cronyism like a few large corporations do, we can practice individual payoffs to government officials stopping small businesses from trying to grow in our small towns and again for our own self indulgence but this is not capitalism and God would never condone this kind of behavior or action. We can be Christians and be capitalist but we cannot put money and things first or else we poison the idea and why socialist are the first to call out why capitalism is evil.
Pure capitalism requires restraint and honor, putting God first in their life and family only increases the ability to be successful. Giving back what we put in will only increase the trust in our fellow man, it can be done we can achieve greatness.
Well the wackos are at it but this time instead of trying to scare us with junk science and the impending doom of climate change they’re now trying to pick our wallets as if we aren’t taxed enough as it is.
With rising fuel prices to curb our travels and increasing registration prices for our vehicles the Left is doing its best to cash in on our everyday life. We are forced to recycle in many states whether we do or not with the redemption taxes on all our cans and bottles but now Senator Bernie Sanders wants to now tax corporations who make fossil fuels to punish them for making products that help drive the American economy.
Bernie spells it out for us in his HufPo article not using one scientific fact but ensures that climate change is responsible for droughts, heat waves, floods, forest fires, disease (not sure what disease he’s blaming on the climate),rising sea levels and extreme weather disturbances oh yea he forgot to mention 2013-14 winter was pretty cold.
Now what Bernie fails to explain is that taxing these corporations will only result in higher rates at the pumps and higher energy bills in our homes. We get punished not the corporations we get the higher bill. Bernie feels if we tax these fossil fuels it will level the playing field for greener energy.
When I last checked I don’t remember a windmill being able to heat the house, or solar power powering a 210 hp R series John Deer tractor to harvest crops and I really don’t think I’ll see a Caterpillar C660 hauling logs on geothermal power in the near future, oh yea environmentalist hate logging we will just make our paper products out of cannabis since our state governments want us stoned anyhow.
This type of thought just proves how out of touch our representatives are from what Rush Limbaugh likes to call realville the world you and I live in. Their thought is the green energy will bring in jobs and lower energy prices since fuels like gas propane and coal constantly fluctuate. Bernie again fails to tell you yes while they do move up and down based on supply and demand it can be better regulated if government would lower taxes, deregulate restriction and allow for more exploration to find more fuel and how is this for a thought let’s find it in our own country.
Bernie does in bad conscious tell us climate change is real, but just as he can say it’s for real I can say yes it’s real but you Bernie don’t understand what that means. Let me see since I have been alive and I’ll throw my parents into that mix so over the last 80 years there has been major floods, lots of forest fires, lots of floods, tornados, tons of heat waves and even earthquakes I could go on but I think you get my drift. The weather is always changing it will never stop.
On a more sinister point, I view this concept of climate change global warming as a new brand of Communism. No one likes the Commie word so they just rebranded it and now it’s the environment. Same concept, tax regulate and controlling your every move and dollar but not for federal power but for the environment because everyone cares about the environment otherwise your a bad person
As a conservative Christian I oppose this greatly and offer this question to folks that believe in God whether you’re a hard core Christian like myself or not. Why would God design and build an elaborate world such as planet earth and then create a creature like man that could destroy his creation. Gods own creative nature of rain, wind, volcanoes, and earthquakes do more damage in an instant than man can do in a century.
Right now Sanders and Senator Boxer are wanting to make this a proposed bill and have it passed and legal. I for one will oppose this even though Boxer is in my state it will probably be a waste of breath to ask her to think twice about this. But the rest of America needs to weigh the real options here. Do we just pass laws, increase taxes and regulate based on a theory that keeps being proven wrong time after time. This is not only a money grab by our representatives it’s a way to keep us tied to the government and I believe that is what communism is all about.