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CAUTION BAD PEOPLE IN HELL

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It’s interesting to me how now doctrines and theology constantly debate on how bad or not so bad hell will be.
We have doctrine that uses a annihilation that those going to hell will just stop being, Satan will bear the sins and those who do believe in Christ; where that is scripture I have no clue.

I get it Hell is scary, I saw a blog from a fellow Christian blogger that wanted Christians to stop scaring the hell out of people, is that opposite of let us put hell in people nicely?

The meme that goes if you need the threat of eternal torture to be a good person you are not a good person has validity to it and I would agree humans are not good, it takes God to be good.

Realistically when was the last time you heard your pastor preach on hell, when was the last time you heard a megachurch pastor preach on hell. When was the last time you attended a Biblestudy that studied hell. I have rarely heard any pastor or church leader spend much time on the subject of hell but every liberal Christian seems to think it happens way too much and is afraid it will scare the unbeliever away.

Openbible.info counts about 100 references on hell in the ESV translation of the Holy Bible. So hell is in the scriptures it does exsist and it is a part of our lives whether we want it or not.

In Matthew Jesus talks or uses hell 17 times, and describes it 8 times as being a furnace of fire and weeping and gnashing of teeth, eternal torture.

So why are some churches and Christians afraid to talk about hell maybe the same reason they want people to stop judging and have some tolerance for sin.

Not sure about you but you but hell scares me strait, yes I sin daily but daily I repent. 1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”

Now I’m not saying that the message of hell should be the focal point of the Gospel. Salvation and Gods free gift of grace that he gives us is always the front and center subject to new believers but we ought not to leave hell out of the full message.

Understanding why God created hell and why he sent his son Jesus is important to know and understand. As a believer hell never inters my mind, getting closer to Jesus and trying to share that faith with others is always my intentions.

The unbeliever on the other hand knows there is a God, they might try and convince themselves there is no God but it is written on their hearts there is a God but even with that the heart can deny the mind. One wonders why Jesus talked about hell if it was not an important part of knowing God personally.

We can only conjecture why God created a hell but scriptures states it is real, Jesus talks about the realness of hell and the Holy Spirit continues to talk about it in the New Testament. Hell is real and I believe we are doing a disservice to our fellow man by just pushing it under the carpet like it was a bad dream.

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THE LEFT AND POPE FRANCIS’S CONUNDRUM

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The national Review released a nice article more or less better defining Pope Francis’s stance on climate change and economical equality leaving the Leftist environmental, economic extremist and the Pope in somewhat of a conundrum if you ask me.

Pope Frances further defines his belief in what it means to embrace climate change and economic justice in which one comes to the conclusion that Pope Francis feels they are connect, it’s a good size article that needs to be read so I urge you to do so.  The Pope’s Encyclical, at Heart, Is About Us, Not Trees and Snail Darters

Pope Francis over the last few years had made statements that have been surly noted as communist in notion, climate change is the new communism if you don’t feel that way look at the old communism or in that fact both China, North Korea and Vietnam and see the defining attributes they have in common with climate change. Note that climate change is nothing new to the Left, when the Berlin wall fell western communism just found a new place to hide.

Economic Equality has been a topic as well by Francis, from the National Catholic Reporter Carol Glatz reports that the Popes idea of faith and giving go hand in hand something we would all like to see people like Joel Osteen and TD Jakes read and practice.

The issue with this concept is it does not fully understand or fix the poor just that we need to become poor to have faith. I’m always quick to go back on Matthew chapter 26 verse 11.

Now Jesus was explaining more than just the poor to his disciples but it does tells us an undeniable truth, that we will never rid the poor nor the sick they will always be with us. No giving until it hurts will change that, we are not to hoard our money but I don’t think Jesus expects us to go broke trying to fix something that cannot be fixed.

This lays the conundrum for both the Pope and the Left; how fare will they take each other before they are forced to abandon each another on difference of ideology and yes their ideology splits.

Now mind you this is just opinion and conviction from Pope Francis, whether he sees it or not he is embracing communism with his economic and environmental ideology. In my opinion the Pope does see it but wants to change the concept of socialism to his brand or what I would say the true brand of socialism.

Socialism was tried once and it failed when Adam and Eve sinned and God threw them out of the garden. After that socialism has tried and tried as it might, it has even employed the government aka communism and that still has not worked and will never work because of mans inherent will to sin.

I get what Pope Francis is wanting, he and I would make great neighbors but no way in heaven would I vote for him to office.

The conundrum that Pope Francis faces is that yes the Left is all for this, they love what Francis is preaching until he said that being economically equal and environmentally conscious means we must be Pro Life and not with just newborns but with everyone one and thing on this earth and that is where the ideology splits

This is a must and the Pope knows this and has to push this otherwise he loses his Christian credibility. Equality means everyone, young and old regardless of how weak or strong, ignorant or inelegant we must have Pro Life otherwise all this is a lie.

The conundrum for the Left is they know this is a lie and they themselves don’t necessarily live this lie. Don’t get me wrong there are a few uneducated leftist hippies out there that attempt it but few will live it to the end. The educated Left truly does not have equality in mind just power and ignorance and Pro Life cannot be a part of this social experiment.

To the Left Pro Life cannot gel with communism because if makes not only the individual but a government accountable for their misgivings. Yes the government could mandate no abortion, it is not an option, make it illegal and it will care for the unwanted child and the elderly but that opens up a can of who will pay for this and again accountability becomes in play, judgment, sin there is no irrelevance in a world that embraces life.

I believe the Pope would say we the people and the churches of the people will take care of these children and take care of the elderly that have served our society something that use to be and has been lost with an ever intrusive government. So one can see if we allow the government to take care or enforce private organizations to do their bidding the society looses freedom and free will.

The Pope’s communism demands that not only people be accountable but the government is as well and that won’t happen because again we are inherently evil and seek the best way out not God’s way in which is always best but is only from a free will based on a freedom he gives us not the government.

Yes while the Popes communism seems like a wonderful utopia where everybody loves everything it is not only impossible but it no longer allows for freedom and free will. A government cannot enforce free will and freedom it can only protect it.

Again socialism in the Garden of Eden would have worked if sin was not committed, there would be no need for communism because people would be responsible themselves and not seek to cause their neighbor to stumble. Government would have never been in need because with no sin people will not seek to kill, steal and destroy.

Pope Francis’s utopia requires communism because he knows the heart of man, and government is needed to police that heart. Where he fails is his understanding mans inherent nature and he forgets the heart of man. He forgets its man that is the government that will police the heart and actions of man; see the problem it just spins leaving a devastation of corruption, payoffs, crony capitalism, and abuse of power.

The conundrum is this, will Pope Francis’s remarks on Pro Life turn off the Leftist that is needed to enact this communism he dreams of. Will the Left leave the Pope because his communism is not their communism?

Regardless of his social and political clout I believe the Left will sneakingly distance themselves from Pope Francis because of this one disagreement being too great to sacrifice their ideology of relativism.

This is a dangerous path for Pope Francis to travel on, time will only tell if the snares of liberalism will be too much for society to handle even Pope Francis.

WHAT INFLUENCED YOU?

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ROMANS 12:2 Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.

I was Browsing through Facebook and came across this blog on Christian Bloggers about the 10 most influential people and books in Christianity. Not really sure how the list was made or tallied and it must have been people and books of this century but I figured the persons on the list at some time or another influenced or impacted somebody’s life and it got me to think who influenced me.

I decided to make my own list of people and books that have impacted or influenced me in not only my spiritual Christianity but in my everyday life in general.

Minus the first set people and the last book and person the list is in no particular order but more in the way of how they flew out of my brain. At the bottom I leave a list of the most absurd people that deserve not to influence anyone and in my opinion should be avoided.

People and books that have influenced or impacted me the most

My parents: I have to consider myself very blessed to have had mother and father that led me in the right direction to seek out God.

My parents gave me the foundation that established who and what I am today and where I go from here. Without my parents I wouldn’t be here today typing this up now, and probably would have had a very different world, one I would not be proud of. God bless all those parents that have given their children the truth.

Billy Graham: No matter what is being said or done in the last 40 years in Christianity whether it is good bad or controversial you can always count on the words and actions of Billy Graham. He is the gold standard when it comes to evangelical speakers, movers and shakers of the modern Christian world.

Graham’s message is simple “Salvation” in my opinion salvation is the most important part of Christianity. It is what binds us together whether you are Catholic, Baptists or Assembly of God salvation is what we all agree on and that has been Graham’s message from the beginning.

If you never got a chance to see and hear Mr. Graham speak live you really missed out on something special.

Gary North: Few will know this economics professor or even know he wrote the book entitled Unholy Spirits in my opinion the definitive guide to the occult and supernatural studies on a Christian perspective in the modern era of the 1970’s through the 2000’s.

Many Christian books of the occult or Biblical supernatural phenomenon have been written but none attack the subject in the way the reader now becomes responsible for knowing. I feel this is a must read for any seminary student and for anyone interested in intellectual conversation of the occult, liberal ideology and how both can combine and effectively change society.

North has written two books on this subject the first written in the 1970’s “None Dare Call it Witchcraft” and it was revised in the early 1980’s and retitled “Unholy Spirits”. Although the book is historically out of date on events that preceded the 1980’s mainly communism the concept and subject are as relevant today as they were in the 1980’s.

The book changed my view on how the occult and liberal ideology is approached and how I attack the subjects in written and in conversation.

Hollywood Vs. America: Written by Michael Medved known as a film critic later a conservative radio talk show host and also an orthodox Jew. The book Hollywood Vs. America showed me how the liberalization of Hollywood is corrupting America.

When I read this book in the 1990’s it had impacted my ideas and approach on how the media and entertainment in general can and is influencing society and why we as Christians and conservatives are responsible in doing something about it.

Maewyn Succat: Later known as Patrick you and I know him as St. Patrick. Most know little of St. Patrick and yes this man was a Saint and deserves the title.

St. Patrick was born around 375 AD and his life as a pastor and later a Bishop was in the 400 century AD. Most people just know that March 17th is a day to dress in green drink green beer and celebrate something they know nothing of.

St. Patrick at age 15 was kidnapped by Irish pirate and sold into slavery to pagans in Ireland. He was a Sheppard for 6 years before he escaped. In those 6 years St. Patrick who was raised in a Catholic Christian home considered himself more of a non believer but converted during his years as a slave. He credits God freeing him from slavery and protecting him as he escaped back to Britain.

St. Patrick then when to seminary school became a pastor and decided to return to Ireland to missionary to the same people that enslaved him. Folklore has St. Patrick driving out all the snakes from Ireland in which people know there are no snakes in Ireland but St. Patrick did not drive out the reptile snake but the pagan and druids whose symbol was of the snakes that St. Patrick converted to Christianity.

The fact a man could be stolen and placed in to slavery, escape, forgive his captives and go back to convert them is beyond what many would do. If you have never studied St. Patrick I highly recommend you do it might changed your idea of what March 17th should be about.

CRI Christian Research Institute: Not without some controversy both Hank Hanegraaff and the folks of CRI have built a great organization for people to find information on all things Christianity, Occult, religion and current events.

CRI has stood the test of time they are in my opinion are one of the best places to go for Biblical backed information on Christian doctrine, churches, men and women of God, cults and religions. If you can’t find what you are looking for then feel free to call or email they do respond well.

What I like about CRI is yes they can seem to be straight shooters and accused of judging at times but they back everything up scriptural. Most everything is backed by the word of God some information may be debate and opinion but those are mainly things that are always in debate and are not salvation issues but more of questions that can never truly be answered in definition.

The Bible answer man and CRI helped me personally understand religions other than Christianity and helped define Christian doctrines of today.

Patrick Madrid: If your Catholic or need Catholic based answers then Patrick Madrid is your man. Patrick use to head the Right Here Right Now radio show now done by Chris Aubert. Patrick is kind of the Catholic Bible Answer Man that fully backs every answer and statement with scripture and Biblical fact.

When I found his radio program one day while driving home I was hooked, a bit skeptical at first being protestant I quickly learned a Christian who is saved by grace in the Name of Jesus is a Christian it matters not if they are Baptist,  Catholic or Assembly of God. Patrick taught me not to fear Catholics or Catholic doctrine but to embrace their knowledge understand the doctrine and adapt it to mine for what I hope can be a better complete person.

J. Budziszewski: Budziszewski is one of the best on the authority of Natural Law and his book “What we can’t not know” is to one of the best guides written on Natural law. If you don’t know what natural law is your shorting yourself in knowledge and Budziszewski is long on knowledge so much so this book alone should be a required read for every seminary student.

I personally had no clue what natural law was until one day listening to Patrick Madrid radio program he mentioned it, being new to the Right Here Right Now show and again suspect of Catholic understanding I asked CRI to recommend a author on the subject of Natural Law and they recommended Budziszewski.

Thinking CRI would recommend a Protestant writer I was later to find out Budziszewski was born and raised as a Baptist and later converted over to Catholic. He told me personally when he was Baptist he looked more at the Catholic concepts of Christianity and now that he moved to Catholic he now looks at Protestants as having many ideas that are ahead of the Catholic concepts I guess a man of both worlds.

Natural law is my newest study and it has changed my life and ideas on how to approach Christianity. If you can read natural law and grasp it and trust me it can be hard to grasp, I’m still hanging on it will change your life and concepts of God. It won’t change God, his grace and salvation but the way you view how society has pulled away from the ideas of morality, and the way God has set up his love, morality, ethics and the way God expects us to live. The subject has made me better.

This is my list of people and books that have impacted my life personally I write these down in hopes you the reader can think and list your own books and or persons that impact or have impacted your life and if you lack any you might try and give these books or sites a read or a listen.

Ultimately God has to be the one that influences and impacts your life but sometimes we need other people or another set of eyes to put things into perspective.

Ones to avoid: The list is long so I’m just putting a few down that at this time are the most popular in our culture.

Rob Bell: Not only has he sold out to the Oprah doctrine he is currently leading people astray with remarks like “I think culture is already there and the church will continue to be even more irrelevant when it quotes letters from 2,000 years ago as their best defense, when you have in front of you flesh-and-blood people who are your brothers and sisters, and aunts and uncles, and co-workers and neighbors, and they love each other and just want to go through life with someone.”

The remark was from when Oprah asked if Bell thought Christians are ready to compromise with homosexuality, the letters from 2000 years ago are the letters of the saints, in the New Testament Bible basically Bell is saying Peter, Paul, Jude, James, John and Luke are irrelevant.

Bell has abandoned the Bible and has made a new doctrine of love yourself as you would want others to love you. Forget the saints of the New Testament is to say the Holy Spirit is irrelevant to today’s world. Don’t even get mixed up with this kind of talk stay away and seek God and a healthy church.

Oprah and OWN: Oprah and her doctrine are nothing short of social and spiritual poison, if you are looking for peace and inspiration try the Bible or a good healthy church.

Joel Osteen: God is not an ATM and you are not being punished for not having a million dollars. I’m not saying Joel is leading people from God but I am saying nothing the Osteen’s say is worth your time unless it’s a choice between Oprah, Rob Bell and Osteen I then would choose Osteen but first I think turning off the TV would be a better choice.

ROB BELL HAS JUMPED THE SHARK

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Seems like once a year I have to give out this award to somebody or something so considering the apostasy that has been committed Rob Bell is the winner.

Rob Bell has jumped the shark in biblical fashion, who is Rob Bell you may ask or if you watch the OWN channel then maybe you know but if not he’s former Mega Church pastor of Mars Hill in Grand Rapids. Rob bell is now the man at the Oprah Winfrey Network OWN.

Once known as an evangelical in main stream media but let’s face the fact that the main stream media really does not know what true evangelical Christianity is.

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The latest has Bell becoming an apostasy, he has turned away from the Bible and has shrugged off the word of God, the Holy Spirit and the Saints who helped write and define Christianity as we know it.

Bells latest quote on OWN in response to Oprah’s question did he think Christians are close to accepting homosexuality. Bell “we’re moments away from the church accepting it,” and that Christians needed to stop relying on its holy text as a basis for opposing homosexuality: 

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This above quote has Bell asking you and I to stop relying on Biblical text in opposing what are in Gods words is a sin and confirmed by the Holy Spirit a sin. (Honestly I get what Bell is saying here but this is exactly what I mean when I wrote in the beginning of this blog, Christians cannot stop relying on God’s word when it comes to morality, Bell has truly lost it)

If you don’t understand what just took place with this quote and feel the Bible really only has one passage that is against homosexuality and it’s Old Testament then I might ask you to stop right here and get your Bible out and read. Leviticus 18 all of it, 1 Corinthians 6: 9-11, Romans 1: 26-28, 1 Timothy 1: 10, and finally Romans 1:32 to set the tone of why people who practice and condone deviancy will rarely stop.

Bell goes on “I think culture is already there and the church will continue to be even more irrelevant when it quotes letters from 2,000 years ago as their best defense, when you have in front of you flesh-and-blood people who are your brothers and sisters, and aunts and uncles, and co-workers and neighbors, and they love each other and just want to go through life with someone.” Interesting but invalid quote but typical OWN and Oprah rhetoric, do what makes you happy no matter what the consequences to you or anyone else.

Bell’s two quotes are enough to understand who Bell is not what he has become but I say who he is. Bell has sold out to the Oprah doctrine, be true to yourself not to God, do what makes you happy, not honor God, seek happiness wherever you can find it instead of seeking God for happiness. He has forsaken an intellectual philosophy of Gods natural law and therefore cannot understand why Bible believing Christians oppose non traditional love and deviant sexual concepts.

There is more at stake here than personal happiness. God condones behavior that is not only beneficial to one’s self but to God himself and to others those are in and around you that will be impacted by your behavior the opposite of this is plain selfishness.

Did Bell really know God, I don’t believe Bell truly knew who God and Jesus was and to this day still does not know. Since Bell has made these quotes several articles have been written on Bell and his Wife wondering how and why Bell could lose his understanding of God’s word and belief in God’s natural and moral law and can or will Bell and his wife return to Christianity reality.

Yes Bell can but how will we know, Bell has gone from one doctrine to another one ideology to another. Bell has professed to be a man of God and to teach God’s word to people but now he’s Oprah’s spiritual guide, not her guide to The God of the Bible but her no judgy, no hell, no moral limits guide to a life of meaningless nonsense, some what cult like.

In order for Bell to return to Christianity of the Bible Bell needs to do this, ask God for forgiveness for being an apostasy and leading people away from The God of the Bible. Bell needs to cut all ties with OWN and renounce any relevance to Oprah and her philosophy. He needs to never again be in a leadership position but be a humble servant to God and the church he chooses to serve. Bell might even think about giving away much of his earnings from the OWN and any earnings that dealt with leading people away from The God of the Bible. This may seem extreme but Bell needs to prove to not only true Christians that he has repented but to God as well he owes God that much.

OUR LEADERSHIP CANNOT CONDONE SIN

OUR LEADERSHIP CANNOT CONDONE SIN

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Last week Pope Francis invited gay Catholics to the Vatican giving them the VIP treatment, the concept that many Catholic and Protestant hierarchy has been homosexuality is not a sin only the acts of homosexuality is. Basically calling yourself gay is not a sin much like saying your a alcoholic, drug addict or a swinger the name is not the sin but the acts are the sin in motion.

I get the idea of what Francis is doing, bringing the outcast front and center and showing them love instead of condemnation and judgment I believe it’s what Jesus would have done if homosexuals were a big part in his time.

You might say “ well homosexuality was in Jesus’ time” and yes it was even before his time but homosexuality was considered a fringe deviance in most eyes of the Jews. It was condemned by God and in Old Testament law. I believe Jesus was sent here to save us, sin would always be in and around us but God needed to send us a way out give us through his grace salvation.

At first my question was is Pope Francis and other pastors condoning homosexuality by putting groups like New Ways Ministries front and center giving them the VIP treatment or a pass, promoting the gay movement? Then I thought what would Jesus do?

Remember Zacchaeus he was a tax collector a very hated group of people. Tax collectors were disliked by everyone since they not only collected from the poor but the rich as well and were well known for skimming off the top and pocketing a little for themselves everyone disliked the tax collectors they sinned with no remorse.

I believe this is why Jesus put much compassion with Zacchaeus, he saw a man who was looking for Jesus and did anything it took to hear him speak, even climbed a sycamore tree. Jesus went as far as inviting himself to Zacchaeus house for dinner out in the open a known sinner. This act by Jesus cause Zacchaeus to repent and change his ways and become saved Luke 19 verses 1-10

Now the contrast to what not only Pope Francis is doing here but other pastors that fall into the same idea of accepting and bringing in the homosexual movement into the church is that Jesus always accepted people for who they were but never accepted or condoned their sin.

Jesus walked and talked to sinners but he never asked them to continue to sin and always told them there was a better way to follow him which basically meant repent and follow God remember the Samaritan woman at the well John 4: 1-26

There is nothing wrong with Pope Francis inviting New Ways Ministries to the Vatican, I would expect any pastor to invite anyone whether they be gay, strait, drug addicted or you name it to church but I would not expect a pastor or church leadership to condone and accept the lifestyle but to counter the sin with God’s love and the chance to repent and live the life Jesus would want us to live.

We have to understand that yes Christianity has different doctrines but all healthy doctrines holds true to one way and point to the same direction. Sin is in all of us but God expects us to strive for a sinless life, and with the death and resurrection of Jesus forgiveness is now obtainable John 3:16

What Christianity cannot have or ever condone is the watering down of God’s word, the altering of his natural law and the callus acceptance of sin as not a sin. Jesus said in Matthew 7: 15-20 to basically watch out for people that give the wrong Gospel and the Holy Spirit confirms this another way in Revelations 3: 15-22.

What am I getting at is basically we can’t change or water down Gods word and many groups like New Way Ministries are doing this. When God commands something in law and the Holy Spirit continues to reiterates and confirms the same concept we cannot we dare not change or tinker with God’s word.

I get what is going on here but men of God in leadership positions have to understand what I’m trying to spelling out. These groups are seeking to change God’s word, they want the sin part to be gone or have us look the other way but we can’t.

We can have compassion, we should and need to but people that struggle with these issues have to know what they are doing is sin and the Gospel cannot be changed to justify sin.

Relevant Compromise

Does keeping a church relevant to today’s issues mean we have to compromise on morality

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That is what I asked myself when I read three articles (Christian Post, Charisma News and Barb Wire) on mega church Hillsong and pastor Brian Houston unwillingness to publicly state Hillsongs view on homosexuality. Houston has been doing nothing but dancing around this issue and in my opinion Houston is saying ( I personally am against gay marriage and the gay life style but that may not be a relevant in this day in age for our church). So my question is if your in a leadership position say a pastor should not your own beliefs be apart of your church.

Should leadership compromise with immorality to keep the congregation happy? Houston is eluding that yes he is against homosexuality on his own personal level but feels his own opinion needs to be on reserve with these issues since it may effect his church. I’m not sure I get this if you are the leadership of the church then yes your personal opinions on moral issues do count. We are not talking about trivial issues like whether or not to support Israel or the best biblical translation NKJ or NIV we are dealing with issues that effect people on a biblical and moral stage.

I’m sure Houston is not the only pastor that is dealing with these issues but when you command a mega church like Hillsong a lot of people look at you, they look and listen to what you say. Your actions speak volumes and that is why the way I see it is Houston wants it both ways and morally I just don’t see having it that way. He wants legitimate hard core Christians like myself to know in his heart and mind he’s against homosexuality but he also wants newbie, lukewarm and progressive Christians to know his church is relevant with today’s times.

Abortion is legal too should not Hillsong be at least on the fence about some abortions, what about petty crimes can we give a pass to some just the ones that don’t make a big deal or impact on the church?

I’m curios if Houston lived in the times of Lot if he would have questioned Lot’s decision to leave Sodom. Houston is right about  a relevant church it is more than playing electric instruments and drums to contemporary Christian music on Sunday, there is more than having a Starbucks at the entrance of your church but does that mean we compromise Biblical principles so as to be up to date with today’s world and it’s issues.

Are the 10 commandments no longer hip to today’s standards, do mega church’s bend and change Gods natural law to stay relevant in a world of 24/7 information

I realize mega churches have to deal more so with a wide verity of people, emotions and issues but one must ask is it a mega church because God and biblical principles are not only taught but are encouraged and studied or is it a mega church because biblical concepts, principals are dumbed down in the name of numbers. In the name of not offending the sinner regardless of the sin, in the name of expansion, and in the name of worldly exceptance. How strong is your walk and your faith and what is your goal, do you want to only offend some and not the majority because I guarantee Mr. Houston has now offend some question is who has been offended and is Hillsong willing to make a compromise on morality.?

 

BLESSING FOR SALE

BLESSING FOR SALE

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While going through my websites for Mr. T’s weekends updates I ran a across this from the Christian Post entitled“Texas Mega church Promises 100 Percent Refund in Tithe Challenge if ‘God Doesn’t Hold True to His Promise of Blessings’”

CP has consistently been a good contributor of conservative politics and Christian news. Although no assumptions have been made by CP only just reporting the facts it was the headlines that grabbed me and caused me to ponder are Blessing for sale.

Now let me make myself clear I’m not one to be on top of the tithing curve, I’m just as guilty as anyone for being inconsistent in the arena. With that said I feel I do know and understand the importance of tithing to God.

While the Old Testament is pretty clear on tithing Genesis 14:20 Numbers 18:15-17 Deuteronomy 15:19-20 Leviticus 27:32. There are also references to tithing in the New Testament as we’ll but should we as Christians promote a money back guarantee. Matthew 23:23, Luke 11:42 NIV

Has church become a shopping center where if you are not satisfied with your blessing they will refund your money this strikes me very ill.

Don’t get me wrong God does bless us when we tithe, I feel that this is the major reason why this country (America) is so rich because we have gave so much and God has given back to us so much.

When I was young around 8 my father taught me the importance in tithing, he said God would give back to me what I gave to him but I don’t remember my dad ever saying give against your will or give because there’s a money back guarantee with each dollar either.

Mark chapter 21 verses 41-44 is pretty clear cut to me that God wants us to tithe with our heart not with our pocket book and to expect money back is just morally and ethically wrong in my world.

Event TD Jakes said giving to get back the same amount or in his words break even is ridiculous and why go though the trouble. Yes he did say that and its mind boggling that his own congregation lets him get away with it, you can listen to it via equip.org about halfway though TD jumps the shark with comment

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Now I’m not a big fan of the Mega-Church and that’s not what this opinion is about but I have to tell you my concept of tithing and this church’s concepts are a bit different. What about righteousness, I personally would rather a person strive for righteousness and be poor than for a person to give a tenth of his riches but be morally bankrupt but that’s just my opinion.

Bottom line I get what this church is doing, their trying to get people to trust in God and tithe because that is what God wants us to do but to advertise a money back guarantee is a bit much if you ask me. I believe a pastor should every sixth months to a year have a sermon on faith and responsible tithing and you tithe with your heart not your wallet. You should never expect to get back anything or else what’s the point of trying to do doing good.

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