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MIXING TWO WORLD VIEWS

The reason why I write this blog is based on that I believe the idea of God creating the universe based in millions and billions of years only compromises with the secular world view and it has implications that are far more reaching than just difference of opinion.

If you have the time here is a nice little debate or conversation between the idea of young earth and old earth via Ken Ham and Hugh Ross. Ken Ham is young earth and backs his theology by scripture while Ross is old earth that is trying to interpret scripture and the Bible with the idea of fitting millions of years into the Biblical historical picture.

Most secularists will say both proponents Ham and Ross are wrong because the universe is billions of years old.

What I find as the problem with the old earth belief is there is not good evidence and you have to add to scripture to make the point while the young earth is better equipped to follow scripture.

Interesting out of a panel of six on this show, five of the guest believed in a young earth and one (Ross) believes in an old earth that included the big bang.

Out of that 5 only three so it was split evenly (with Ross being the 6th), but only three Ken Ham, Ray Comfort and Eric Hovid believed the scripture was more clear on the idea of each day as it was created by God (day being 24 hours) and that this statement of scripture was very important, not only understanding Biblical creation but it aided in the understanding of Biblical knowledge for everyone.

The interpretation of each creation day being one day (24 hour day) is important to teach people based on if we demand that people believe in the parting of the red seas, a virgin woman getting pregnant by the Holy Spirit and a man dying and coming back to life. How then can we tell people that in Genesis God was not talking about 24 hour day but he meant millions of years and that the passages of Genesis aids itself more to how modern science interprets the age of the earth via millions and billions of years.

On one end we demand people believe in supernatural events but in Genesis we compromise and say there is nothing supernatural how God created the universe. That statement maybe a bit over the top due to that Christians believing in a creation of a million years still view it as supernatural but the idea of God creating the world in 6 days has to be agreed as a bit more of a supernatural event than using a naturalistic way to explain creation.

Sean McDowell and John Bloom from Biola University were more on the fence of Biblical interpretation, McDowell even so far as to going there and saying so much as can we really know the true interpretation from Greek, Hebrew to English. I chalk McDowell statement to his youth; this statement is what secularist use to kill the conversation on Christians that don’t know there Biblical history or believe in actual words of our Biblical authors and we cannot accept such a statement.

Bloom and McDowell were willing to question interpretation while Comfort, Ham and Hovid felt that the Bible was God’s breathed word that all can know, people could know then (thousands of years ago) we can know now. 1 Timothy 3:16 Ephesians 4:11-16 and Hebrews 11: 1-40

McDowell and Bloom walk a slippery slope that will have you back peddling trying to explain Biblical truth in a sea of secular lies and it does not have to be that way if we take scripture at its word.

I believe Ross is trading certainty for truth and McDowell and Bloom are entertaining that idea as well Bloom more so than McDowell.

The truth is we can know scripture and what it says, understanding that not everyone will completely get what is being stated in every book or letter but the main theme of the Bible is God and following God. His grace to us and for us and how and why he did what he did for his creation.

You will see at the end of the video Ross offers a truce and I have no doubt Ross was very sincere just as I have no doubt Ross is a Bible believing man of God. The problem I have with Ross’s truce is it is not as the same way we can view the main purpose of truth from such men as George Whitfield and John Wesley.

Whitfield was a strong preacher of election with his main theme on salvation, while Wesley was a strong preacher on the will to know God with the main theme on salvation so we see two men that preached different styles had the same theme and that was salvation. This is what made these men great in the eyes of Biblical history the final authority was God and his salvation for you.

Ross’s truce is genuine but misguided based on the issue we live in different times than Wesley and Whitfield did; the average person had a standard of who was God and the respect of who God was not to mention being a pastor or evangelist during the 1700’s was a very respectable position.

Today’s western world does not respect God as it once did nor has a standard of who God is. Today’s western world does not respect men like Ross or Ham they view them as the enemy. People like Bill Nye who puts out hate messages that parents that teach creation are abusing their children.

We can easily see why main stream media and science who is desperate to be the grand daddy of all authority of life will mock and tear down our children and young people in the public arena.

How can we as Christians tell our children God did all these great supernatural things but that stuff in Genesis may not be literal, can you see why liberal Churches are not teaching that Jesus died or was born of a virgin, compromise to secularism to be relevant in today’s world is the in thing for people and Churches that think this is the only way to get people to God.

The difference between Ross and Ham is that Ham uses the Bible to interpret scripture for both knowing God and understanding God in a Biblical context with the final goal preaching the word of God for the purpose of following Jesus to salvation. Ross uses the Bible to prove science is correct and prove there is a God while returning a standard of the belief in God to science and while this is important without the notion of one following Jesus and putting God first before all things there is no real hope for people to know God.

Final thoughts I know those six men, Ham, Comfort, Hovid, Ross, McDowell and Bloom  are good men of God and I know they want the best for bringing the Gospel to all people but the western world we live in is now requiring we either go with the world or against the world.

Trying to compromise or make a hybrid world view with a mix of some world and some Christianity will not work. It is not Biblical to mix Holiness with evil 1 Corinthians 15:33, like my old youth pastor use to say, two rivers running into each other, one is flowing clear blue water the other is dirty brown water and when the two come together and mix the clear blue water turns to dirty brown. The two cannot mix.

A COMMON SYMPTOM, STATEMENT 2

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A COMMON SYMPTOM (10 statements  unbelievers don’t believe about the Bible)

This in respond to a blog that was posted some time ago on a Christian blog forum by a professing Christian that obviously does not really believe in true Christianity.  The blogger made 10 statements that they did not believe about the Bible and what I found is these are not just statements or beliefs from Christians on the theological fence but these are statements that unbelievers would make as well in fact these statements are nothing new.

Because these statements are common in today’s world view I will take each statement as its own otherwise this can become a long drawn out blog so in order to keep your attention we will focus one statement at a time and this is statement 2, you can check out my first blog on these statements at A COMMON SYMPTOM, STATEMENT 1

I don’t believe the Bible explains the time and manner of earth’s creation and population accurately. The Creation accounts in Genesis are not scientific writings designed to instruct, as much as they are poetry and song meant to inspire. They should not be read as a literal explanation of the fashion or timetable of what Science clearly tells us were the far older and more gradual evolution of life than a literal Biblical translation contends. Genesis 1 and 2 are a who story, not a how story.”:

Understandably one who lacks faith and trust in God will question God’s creation. If we cannot believe the Bible is the real inspired word of God then how can we believe God created all things much less in 6 days.

There is much debate in the creation theater; secular science today has muddied the waters that have divided Christians on how many days to how many billion years old the earth is. One thing is for sure Genesis is not a who story but a real account on God creating the universe, the earth and its inhabitants.  Nehemia 9:6 and Acts 14:15 

There is a debate on how many years the earth is and it falls under good credible conversation. Both Greg Koukle and Ken Ham have a radically different perspective on the earth age yet both will agree Genesis is a story on how and why God created the earth Christians can agree on this.

People that do not believe in the sufficiency of the word of God will of course be incline to believe the account of Genesis is poetry and song and a story of who. The problem with people that do not consider the Bible as the sole word of God is the who is only two people when in fact the who needs to be on more than a man and a woman, there is a creator involved and eventually a redeemer involved.  Isaiah 44:24 Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer,  who formed you from the womb: “I am the Lord, who made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself”

The complete understanding of God’s time table is not needed fully. Understand even today when secular science throws out time tables it is not concrete but a theory. Science uses dating that can be fallible; there is not exact perfect way to date God’s creation.

Some Christians use God’s word (Bible) along with archaeology, the flood and other scientific anomalies like volcano and earthquakes to help date while other Christians use stars and light years to help their definition of the date of the earth. Either way does not diminish what God has created and how he created and why he created.

To say the Genesis account of the earth population states that writer of Genesis is not in literal is to have no credibility.  When you make a statement like what is made in first statement “I don’t believe the Bible was dictated by God” then we can fully understand why a person cannot believe in the full account of Genesis 1-2 and how man and woman flourished.

If Genesis and the Bible is not a full account of how and why God made everything do we then fall back on the worlds view of evolution and big bang and if so then how did that start and as a Christian would then one begin to compromise the word of God. To not completely understand how society became many is to deny how God made his creation or a coward of the truth.

It was Martin Luther that said “ But, if you cannot understand how this could have been done in six day then grant the Holy Spirit the honor of being more learned than you are” Simply stated we know what we know because God lets us know.

CLIMATE CHANGE HAS LITTLE ROOM FOR ATHEIST

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We might think atheism and secularism as a minor force with strong arms today trying to end Christianity as we know it.

Atheist claim they don’t believe in any religion but for reasons that can be debated they seem to pay particular attention to Christianity trying to discredit it, they’re more anti theist than just people that claim not to believe in a God or the supernatural and leave it at that.

It is my thoughts that liberalism cannot at this point in time allow atheism to totally destroy the idea of God from our heart, our minds yes but the idea of a God must be allowed to live in the heart of man. Romans 12:2

The reason being is atheism for the most part is a leftist point of view. Yes there maybe some conservative atheist out there but they would be more economically conservative rather than socially conservative and those people that identify themselves as atheist rarely identify with the same moral ideology as people that do believe in God or Christianity. Note both can but most of the time there is normally a difference of opinion on a moral law code.

Conservatives and Christian conservatives in general think similar and believe similar. They tend to share values much the same and the embrace moral and ethical values much the same.

The leftist agenda is contrary to the conservative agenda particularly in climate change and global warming. This idea is not universally anti Christian as we see a few Christians take up the leftist cause of radical environmentalism.

Most Christians that subscribe to radical environmentalism can be defined as liberal leaning and therefore are sometimes dismissed as legitimate  believers in true Christianity but make no mistake those Christians that do endorse radical environmentalism such as Pope Francis have a wide following in the leftist community.

This is where I have wrote before it’s a fine line for leaders like Sir Francis to court radical environmentalism but being that said it is also a fine line for leftist to court Christians that embrace this idea as well. 1 John 2:15

By no means is Pope Francis an advocate of abortion something leftist embrace with open arms as a rite of passage. For leftist  hope to convince as many people as possible to believe in radical man made climate change they need all the help they can. If they cannot legislate it down our throats then having the aid of top Christians leaders to preach radical climate change in the pulpit is a plus which is why they cannot fully condone the actions of radical atheism that is anti theist.

To the atheist that believe in no God, believes in random chance, believes in subjective morality they in principle should not care one way or another if man made climate change is real or just junk science..

In the words of Jeff Durbin pastor of Apologia church in Tempe Arizona “So what”, so what if it’s man made or not it does not stop the random chance of happening.

So what if the polar bears run out of ice, survival of the fittest regardless if man made carbon from cars that melt ice or if three super volcanos erupt and ash covers the earth and kills one quarter of the earth species, it happens. In reality what happens is so what; if naturalism is real then life will go on, government regulations won’t change that.

Leftist who rely on radical environmentalism for power cannot have this, they need people to be behind them and to believe in the cause and while many atheist won’t buy this idea of a “so what” reality they should in order to be true to their beliefs.

Liberal leftist may just need the belief in God to continue and having the aid of Christians that believe God puts man in total control of his creation is a win. They need leaders like Rev Mitchell C Hescox that have doubt in what God can do to infiltrate the minds and emotions of their followers and a total disbelief in God cannot be on the agenda at this time.

While both atheist and like minded liberals would love to see the end of a Biblical moral law the goal might be to rid God from people’s minds but keep the notion of a God that is good, environmentally gentle and emotionally illogical in our hearts.

COEXIST CAN ONLY CONTRADICT

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You run across one of these stickers probably once a week on somebody’s Prius, most likely it’s a hippie or a sharp leftist but do you wonder is it possible to truly coexist with everyone and do these people really know what they are demanding.

Next to every “coexist” sticker should be a sticker that says “contradict”. Each belief contradicts the others belief making coexistence impossible.

Each belief demands exclusivity to that belief and that belief alone. Islam demands Allah is the only God, Jews their God is the only God, Hindi has many Gods but their belief of reincarnation is a must. Atheist demand naturalism and science is the only truth.

There is contradiction with all these beliefs so who do you follow, who will you give your life to?

Atheists believe there has to be proof to be something, seeing is believing. Yet no one has seen large scale evolution, no one has seen a big bang creating life out of nothing. Gravity just exists, no why or how it just exists. DNA is magic per Richard Dawkins but wait is not magic something that cannot be seen or understood?

Buddha was a Hindu that believed there was more; he abandoned the core beliefs of Hinduism and ended up mixing atheism with reincarnation. One has to die and die again to obtain nirvana a complete blowout of the mind where one ceases to exist there is no God.

Christians and Jews believe in a one true God but unlike Jews Christians believe the one true God sent his son Jesus to die for us so that we would be worthy. That through his death God now gives us salvation by his grace alone. John 14:6  and Acts 4:12 And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved”.

COEXIST is either a complete insult or complete ignorance by one that is reaching for an end to free thought. COEXIST is not new it is the same exclusivity in the idea that no one is correct that there is no truth.

Without truth your ideas are invalid to my ideas, making the ability to truly coexist is impossible.

TUESDAY MEMES 1

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I saw this gem on a friend’s FB page some time ago and what intrigued me was it’s from AlterNet. If you do not know who AlterNet is you can check them out but I can give you the short version here. They are a liberal e-mag rag that does nothing to further the Gospel of Jesus Christ that I’m sure of.

On first glance you can see this is AlterNet pointing their finger at both the Christian and the atheist, “shame on you two for arguing so much on a petty subject while people or being slandered.

One only has to think its ISIS that is destroying the world and who are they destroying? I think they are called Christians and Jews or anyone that disagrees with ISIS. Yes ISIS has been destroying priceless artifacts and monuments but hey people are getting their heads chopped off for just believing differently of Islam.

First who is fighting over whom, both Christians and Jews both believe the one true God of the Bible who created the world. Even Islam believes one God created the world but I don’t see Christian Jews and atheist killing each other over it.

Atheists believe in a bang although science is finding more and more that such a bang can’t be. Islam ideology fits more in line with evolution; it believes in one God but allows evolution to work its magic as Richard Dawkins would call it as evolution does its creation of everything internal. Still I have yet to see atheist and Christians kill each other because one believes in magic and the other believes in  intelligent design.

So where is the fight, Christianity does not fight but holds to a belief in the God of the Bible creating the world. They hold that it should be taught in school whether it is science or philosophy they believe it holds a place in education.

It’s mainly the atheist, the secularist and the humanist that argue the creation of the universe. It’s those groups that fight both in and out of the classroom to ban the thought of Christianity from the conversation. Childlike men such as Lawrence Krauss who say parents that teach their children creation is a form of child abuse; anything goes unless it’s about God right Lawrence.

I have said as have others that Islam (ISIS) is more of a threat to the world than the small percentage of atheism and I still stand by that. I would love to see the atheist give up or at least be willing to have a coexisting conversation on how the world began but they will not in a public forum like education. Unlike the Christian it is not in the atheist/secularist  best interest and belief  to embrace a world not created by God.

Mind you Christians argue amongst themselves over how God created the universe and the world we live in but one thing they do agree on is God and God alone was the creator.

Yes there is debate amongst atheist on the big bang and evolution but the one thing that unites them is their belief that there is no God.

Can Christians and atheist stop fighting like AlterNet wants them to, considering whom AlterNet is I think they should take a page from the quote they stand on. The answer is no, because that is the world we live it.

Atheists fight for our hearts and minds, it asks us to believe their theories and study those theories founded mainly in conjecture.

Christianity fights for our hearts and minds, it ask us to believe in a God, in a way of life and to study that belief in a book known as the Bible. Transcripts that have been historically accurate (Bible). Christianity asks we give our lives to a God and believe in a man called Jesus that many eye witnessed and wrote about.

ISIS fights for our hearts, minds and body, it hates anyone that disagrees and will kill anyone that disagrees. I agree with Alan Shlemon from Stand to Reason with his most accurate statement on Islam. To paraphrase; Islam is hate and war hijacked by a minority of peaceful Muslims. ISIS will fight until something new and more powerful arrives. Islam will not stop because it has too much invested in its lie

No AlterNet, there will not be any compromise and not because Christians and Jews want war but because truth about God and Jesus are too important to put on a shelf for someone to knock it off and break it into a thousand pieces unrecognizable faith.

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THE BLEAK OUTLOOK OF NATURALISM

THE BLEAK OUT OF NATURALISM

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The atheist belief system gives no future to the next generation. Other than theories and unanswered questions of life and the universe it gives nothing back to society. The only good thing about theories and unanswered questions is these are great tools Christians along with the word of God to give hope to an unbelieving world.

This was my response or complements to a blog via Google Plus written last week “New Atheism Undead Arguments” on basically why the atheism concept is dying.

This is nothing new both Alister McGrath and John Lennox have been preaching this idea for some time now.

Atheism gives nothing to the future. The atheist may say no, naturalism gives a future; but at what cost.

Atheism idea of hope demands more environmental regulations, more laws that stifle the economy for again theories and questions that constantly are never answered. Atheism also shuts down debate of free religious ideas whether they be Christian or non Christian but it is quite obvious that Christianity is the target for this attack.

Atheist demand abortion for a world that they claim is over populated and children that are not wanted by anyone yet over hundred thousand children are eligible for adoption and over 19,000 newborns ready to be adopted just in the United States.

It’s no wonder communist love atheism they fit so well together. Communism loves to regulate legislate and confine people to its laws of its government ideas; much like atheism demands that society think and do only their way.(I’m sure they will refute that statement)

Atheistic belief is a bleak one, it offers no forgiveness and little or no redemption so much so few people will fully invest themselves into true atheism, this is why we see the splitting of this faith into denominations like humanism (and its many factions) and secularism but even with these denominations there still is a bleak outlook in that world of naturalism.

CORRUPTION BRINGS OUT THE FOOLS

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Can life begin out of nonexistence?

This is a question that has been in play for who knows how long, a debate that will rage on until Jesus returns if you are a Christian or to the end of your age if you believe in atheism,secularism or you’ll never really grasp life and you are into human spiritualism that allows you to just keep recycling yourself from one animal to another.

Some may consider this a deep question and maybe that’s why only two people on my Facebook responded. One friend felt it was way too deep before her coffee and my other FB friend posted “Depends on who you ask” and that is as true as it gets.

Can this question be answered to the content of everyone, most likely not? There are too many beliefs even if you segregated all them to three categories of faith you still would get three to five opinions maybe more.

Professor Alister McGrath Irish Apologist and Professor of science and religion at Oxford University comes to the conclusion that we cannot prove our beliefs, Christians, atheist, Islamist or Hindi cannot prove the existence of their beliefs so which one is more desirable to believe, which one is worth staking your life on?

Can nonexistence produce life, and if so why don’t we see it. We are told has happened and these people are all about seeing is believing but we have never seen it that I’m aware but we are told it happened once.

As a Christian view of “can nonexistence create life” and yes it can and did I just shake my head in disbelief that such a belief of “it did not” would be desirable to have faith in let alone stake my life on.

Unlike atheism true Christianity is not just a theory it is a way of life and practiced in everyday living.

The churches that feed the homeless with daily soup kitchens, organizations like Samaritans purse that send men and women all around the world to feed the hungry and attend the sick.

This is real practice of a real belief of a faith that I trust and many more stake their lives as they witness to Muslims and others in communist countries around the world. Naturalism/ atheism on a daily basis does none of this; it has nothing only theory that teaches we are just chemicals and cells that only feel with senses no moral and ethical conscious.

Of the three faiths that believe life does exist because of design, only two Judaism and Christianity believe in the same idea and designer; both share the same belief of what that designs purpose was for.

If we look at what King David wrote in Psalm 53:1 The fool has said in his heart, “There is no God,” They are corrupt, and have committed abominable injustice; There is no one who does good.

Now this is a widely used Psalm used by people when talking smack on those who do not believe in God and you wonder why people get defensive towards others that use this quote alone.

What really needs to be added to this Psalm is more of this Psalm. 53:2-3 God has looked down from heaven upon the sons of men to see if there is anyone who [c]understands, Who seeks after God. Every one of them has turned aside; together they have become corrupt; there is no one who does good, not even one.

What King David is saying is those who say there is no God, denying that life was not designed by life are corrupt in the mind and soul.

They roll in the filth of this world and wonder why they and their world looks so dirty.

They do not repent from their misdeeds and because of this their hearts harden even more towards the idea that life cannot start without design so life must have begun out of nonexistence because they cannot comprehend any other way simply said by King David they are fools.

It’s quite interesting that the day I decided to blog on my “Facebook question of the day” I started the day out reading my daily Bible devotion and then I went on to read anothr daily devotional from the BGEA (Billy Graham Evangelistic Association) and the topic was “The Fool says in his heart there is no God” it went on to describe exactly what I just shared here. Call it chance like a secularist would or call it divine education I know what I call it but you are welcome to choose your own idea.

The question can never really be answered so everyone is satisfied because of the corrupt nature of the world we live in.

So maybe now we need to add a second question after the first question has been debated  as “what belief is most favorable to you; what belief are you going to live for, something or nothing and what belief would you stake your life on?”.

A CHRISTIAN CIVIL WAR?

A CHRISTIAN CIVIL WAR

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Few days ago I read a blog about how James Dobson of focus on the family warned of a civil war that could happen if the Church and Christians kept compromising on Biblical morality and worldly relativism he was a bit more precise in words but this is the gist of it.

The writer of the blog cited this from a leftist emag rightwingwatch.org and generally believed Dobson really meant a war with guns and bombs maybe like the war Ireland had.

After reading both articles I felt that Dobson may have been talking about a real civil war but I think Dobson was talking about a civil war within the church that if happens could it destroy the church as we know it. He may have meant both, if our leaders will not stand up for the rights of the church and Christians we could see dark days ahead.

My reply to the blogger was this “I’m not sure Mr. Dobson’s civil war means actual killing of people but the killing and injuring of souls. I believe what he maybe referring to is a war that will break the church, pitting two sides against each other.

The Conservative Christian who feels Christians need to follow Gods Natural and Moral law, their intent is not to judge people into submission but to point out what happens to a society that refuses to follow these laws most of what can be found Biblically.

The Liberal Christian that accepts the person for who they are regardless of the sin. They never try to judge behavior that is based in sin feeling that loving the person and showing the example of love will be enough and let God be the Judge of that heart.

The problem arises when Christians and churches attached themselves to sinful behavior that God has condemned and or asks us not to condone or be a part of. No one is saying don’t let the sinner in the sinner is already in but the sinner must repent and do the best to sin no more.

This is where the civil war can begin and it will be started by outside forces mainly political and media driven forces that want to see the church die and Christians be thrown in utter chaos”. The blogger didn’t even acknowledge anything I said but stated Dobson’s remarks sounded like a war to her.

At this time I see Christians already engaging in a civil war, churches are still on the sidelines but soon I suspect this will change with court rulings and new laws past. Again if our political and judicial leaders do not protect the Church and Christian rights dark days are ahead.

There already is a division between active Christians that feel Gods natural and moral law is being challenged and Christians that feel those types of Christians are too judgmental and need to allow God to be the judge and Christians need to love. The problem with the latter Christian is they give no boundaries to how far Biblical immorality can be taken before one takes a stand and many excuses will you give to laws that condone Biblical immorality.

There are three types of Christians to this civil war that I believe is in its infancy. 1st type are Christians that defend Gods natural and moral law, his commandments and they refuse to compromise on these issues.

They take these very seriously and feel without these laws and commandments Christianity will get watered down and loose its flavor or light for we are the salt and light of this world.

2nd type are Christians of the liberal nature that feel love is first and foremost and we should not judge if we are to lead people to Christ.

These Christians are willing to bend the rules or reinterpret them to make everyone feel comfortable.

Like the conservative Christian they condemn the other for the way they go about their business. They do not take Gods natural law and moral as serious because those can be always changing much like relativism there is not always a right and wrong way, some even believe all gods lead to heaven.

Mind you not all believe this some just see others as judgmental and thus take the opposite side.

3rd type are Christians are the ones sitting on the sidelines not wanting to be labeled either. They go to church or not, donate to charities or a church but do not get evolved with politics or social issues they have a family to raise mind you they don’t have time for this.

In some ways they are correct, they don’t have time due to everyday issues, issues due to some part politics and some parts social that can be very powerful and labeling

Money, time and family weigh down on them and those come first, they will sometimes support issues with money but will don’t take a stand the question is are you this Christian because this is the biggest type of Christian.

There might be a time when everyone will have to take that stand, I believe the civil war has begun and Christians are starting to take sides. Its sad this has to happen but I believe God demands us to follow him and to obey his commandments and uphold his moral law while others feel this is too strong and it needs to be crushed.

This division might destroy the church I believe or it will certainly divide the church and it is already starting to happen.

We know of several church denominations that have compromised on Biblical moral issues while others have stayed true to traditional Biblical moral issues. I suspect this civil war will slowly get bigger and eventually it will demand all church denominations to take a stand and when that happens division will start and in some cases it already has.

What are the stands that will fuel this civil war? 1: Compromising on atheism and natural science the intermingling of the two to make everyone happy or at least some happy.

2: Compromising on sex and how the church views moral and immoral activity (this is one issue that will bring the church into a civil war it spits churches all the time).

3: Allow relativism to be apart church doctrine, no right and wrong just whatever fits your way of life.

4: Allowing or changing the act of homosexuality to be a non sin issue, this I believe will be the catalyst of allowing all sexual behaviors a right to exist in our society you may laugh but it all starts somewhere.

5: Condoning abortion to the point we no longer speak out against this atrocity.

6: Reinterpret the scriptures of the Bible or saying the writers of the New Testament are no longer relevant in today’s world thus saying the Holy Spirit is irrelevant.

So what will you do, what side will you take or have you taken. Typing this up its obvious I lean a certain way and I believe this way to be true.

I believe God spoke and continues to speak and to not listen and try and reinterpret what God has said in order to water down our faith is dangerous for us and  our society.

All six fuels I listed are dividing Christians now except for the ones sitting on the fence who have no time to know what is going on.

Prayer is good it is always good but I believe we will need to take this further and prayer with action will be needed.

Understand what God says (read your Bible and ask questions), know him and pray to him (church and Bible studies). Repent from our sins and ask for forgiveness and do our best not to sin again. Uphold Gods natural and moral law but also forgive and love your neighbor.

 

THE 4 DENOMINATIONS OF ATHEISM 2ND DENOMINATION

THE 4 DENOMINATIONS OF ATHEISM: 2ND DENOMINATION

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This is the second in a series of four defining the four denominations of atheism, last week I went over the 1st denomination the non acting or detached atheist, this blog goes over the 2nd denomination, how they view and live in their doctrine known as Atheism

The 2nd denomination is what I call the Reaching out or Seeking Atheist. They view their atheism more like humanism without this view they would have a meaningless belief.

They can have migration from the 1st denomination but more often not. Normally the children of the 1st denomination will seek the 2nd denomination because of lack of a foundation of belief that the 1st denomination did not give. The 3rd denomination will too sometimes migrate to the second and mainly again looking for something that they have not found in the core atheism belief or sometimes just to distance themselves from the underling ideology of the 3rd denomination.

The 2nd denomination again knows there is a God but rebukes God in the name of man hoping someday humans will evolve into a god of its own. They are humanist in nature much like the vision Gene Rodenberry the creator of the Star Trek franchise. Man does not need a God he can evolve in such a way he will either become a little god or have no need for any God.

Most of these 2nd denominational atheist are liberal in nature and don’t view their country to be the great savor of the world but view the multiculturalism evolutionary thought to be the savor of the world or worlds.

Their liberal ideology allows them to disregard God, moral law and natural law thus allowing them a lifestyle that cannot be in judgment. Since there is no God then everyone can make their own moral ideas, ethics are your own ethics its all relative and no one dare judge because after all why are your moral ides and ethics more important than mine.

The 2nd atheist see’s religion as a weakness or hindrance to progress. The view a person is better off believing in themselves than God because the belief in God requires self sacrifice, obeying, faith, trust and accountability in something that sometimes cannot be seen or touched.

The 2nd or seeking atheist feels faith and trust have to be something that is seen or touched but disregards the hypocrisy of theory’s such as evolution and the big bang.

Science is not always their first belief but man himself can be the god of this atheist. This 2nd denomination takes people down the wrong path, a path of disobedience from the God of the Bible, most feel a belief in God is bondage and with no God is freedom.

They try and take faith and trust of God away and convince you that you are your only way contrary to what Jesus said in John 14:6.

The path is full of non judgmental immorality and relativism, creating rules that fit your life and if you disagree of my rules you certainly cannot judge or condemn regardless of who it hurts and how it affects the society.

When dealing with the 2nd denominational atheist know that many are not grounded in their doctrine and make a hodge podge of believe out of humanism, secularism and new age philosophy. This is the main reason why the 4th denomination atheist hates or despises the 2nd or seeking atheist. The pure atheist labels them as secular Christians and they would be correct on this label.

The idea of moral and ethics and right and wrong have to come from somewhere, the 2nd or seeking atheist would like us to believe it evolved but knows it could not have evolved because they cannot explain conscience and why no other creature has had this evolutionary process as well.

The 2nd denomination atheist requires one to know not only the atheist doctrine but humanism, and the secularist ideas as well in order to witness. These atheists again sometimes have many ideas of why they won’t seek the God of the Bible as the one true God.

They are not to be feared but to have patients with. Cutting through their liberal ideology can be the first obstacle, there are a few conservative seekers but most are just economically conservative not socially conservative.

Prayer, patients and friendship is the up most important. Be clear on what you believe and be clear on what God states morally and ethically do not waiver on these issues otherwise you risk getting accused of being hypocritical something the second atheist is well aware and most likely deals with being a part of this doctrine.

THE 4 DENOMINATIONS OF ATHEISM 1ST DENOMINATION

THE FOUR DENOMINATIONS OF ATHEISM: 1st DENOMINATION

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Over the past few weeks I have compiled what I view are the 4 denominations of atheism. Probably at one time atheism was just more of a thought and a concept associated with science and Darwinism but through the years it has grown into a religion and like all religions or beliefs it too can have break offs or fractures within the faith so I have classified them as denominations within the religion of atheism.

Since this can be a long and descriptive note I have decided to bring it out in small sections one denomination at a time so as to proof read all four before making a final publish this is the first notes of what I call the 1st denomination of the religion of atheism.

Now an atheist might disagree that they belong to a religion like a devout Christian considers themselves in a relationship not a religion but face facts Christianity is a religion it is how we classify ourselves and atheist have inadvertently done same but I am not sure they see the different denominations they have created and maybe to be fair I should use the word evolve I’m sure they would like that wording better.

The first denomination is what I call the non acting atheist or detached atheist. The non acting atheist is your neighbor, maybe the owner of the local gas station. They are conservative in nature. These people know there is a God but choose for whatever reason not to follow or believe in God.

Most will except and acknowledge that Christianity is not bad and that morality and ethics are based on a Christian template. They do not get in the way of Christian progress most don’t care. These are not the people that call the local supervisors or the governor’s office to have a nativity scene or a cross removed from the local fire or police department property they are non active and sometimes detach themselves from the atheist religion and want no part of being labeled as such for the most part.

Some will deny they are atheist but just do not want to get involved with organized religion, there are those who have this scattered opinion but I went ahead and put them in this denomination in a sense they are on the fence of who they want to be.

These people believe in the American way and strive to be better and deserve not to be judged by Christians based on 1 Corinthians 5:12.

I personally knew a man like this and called him a friend, he never disrespected my belief in God, never disrupted a prayer, he may of thought my belief system was stupid or meaningless but never told me to my face. He respected people enough to let them do or worship what they believed. My friend held these beliefs until he died and whether or not he accepted Jesus in the end only God knows the heart.

What can set the 1st denomination apart from the other denominations is their non willingness to continue to teach their children about atheism, maybe due to the fact they are detached from the religion. Most will state they want to allow their children to find their own identity.

More often than not the 1st denomination will have an unequally yoked spouse. One might believe in God while the other chooses not to express a belief. These denomination children will sometimes likely split on beliefs and some will suffer in not having a foundation to understand not only God but life in general.

It is because of this exact nature that as a Christian we pray for the families that belong or have a family member that belongs to this denomination

Do not fear a 1st denomination atheist but keep them in your prayers, be kind show the love Jesus teaches.

Let them ask the questions if they have any. Any question they have is a step in the right direction. Be there for them but don’t force your will on them they have to want to know God and more often than not will resist a forceful person. Just be kind and let the Love of Jesus do most of the talking.