Watching RZIM’s The Apologist a few nights ago, where they had two Christians and two atheists debating on why they believed what they believed.
Both of the RZIM apologist where former nonbelievers meaning they did not grow up in a home that taught Christianity and it made me think that former atheist or none believers seem to make really good tactical apologist meaning they defend Christianity sometimes better than Christians that grow up in a Christian home.
I’m a part of this group that grew up Christian and I’ve had to check myself and my belief and understanding of God and the nature of God and I can say growing up I was a miserable failure in defending Christianity and the fact growing up in a small down in Northern California made it that much worse
As I got older I needed to ask myself the hard questions and show evidence of why I believed what I did and this is where people that believe in God but are not grounded or have a good foundation lose the conversation when asked to show the evidence or tell why they believe and then give a coherent answer that can be understood.
Going to the Scriptures we can get a small view of this when reading 1 Peter 3:15: but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect. This requires us to do more than just say I believe in God it ask us to have an answer and how we go about answering the question.
Parents that believe in God beyond just believing in a deity need to know the how and why of God because it becomes their responsibility to teach this to their Children.
If you cannot communicate or answer why you believe then how can you yourself understand what you hold to be truth?
If I ask you why are you a Christian can you give me a good answer, if I ask you do you think you are going to heaven can you give me a good answer, if I ask you if I don’t believe in what you believe why is that wrong and will I go to heaven; can you give me a good and true Biblical answer?
These are question that we should be asking ourselves and our children. Don’t think your six year old child cannot give you a good answer if you have taught them well.
To think I’ll just drop them off at Sunday school or youth group and hope for the best is like throwing them in water and hoping they learn to swim, some will some wont maybe if you give them lessons they will learn for sure.
I feel the reason why non believers tend to give better answers is because they are new to the game and if they are serious about their conversion they tend to dive into the word deeper than people that grow up in a Christian home.
I am for one guilty of growing up in a Christian home and taking for granted that God gave me grace, I had the faith but I lacked the understanding of his nature and my nature making me ineffective as a believer to a nonbeliever.
I only bring this up because I hate to see people struggle with understanding the scriptures and being so ineffective in their belief. The most concerning is that these same people now have Children and they too become ineffective witnesses of Jesus and some even get completely lost.
I urge you if you are a believer in God, if you are a believer that Jesus is the son of God that the scriptures are the breathed word of God to then build a knowledge of understanding God. Build a defense of your faith in Jesus for others to know. The cost is time, effort and sometimes friends but the payoff is knowing who God is and how much he really loves you that he would extend his grace to you no matter who you are.
Cheap grace is the preaching of forgiveness without requiring repentance– Dietrich Bonhoeffer
One book that is really worth reading is Dietrich Bonhoeffer’s the Cost of Discipleship if nothing it will convict you of where your standing with God is.
Dietrich Bonhoeffer was a German Lutheran pastor whose goal was to change Christian theology and make his view the standard. Bonhoeffer was considered by some as a liberal Christian or at least he started out that way.
Hitler and Germany coming into power changed everything for Bonhoeffer, he saw how the church was not united to stop Hitler and the 3rd Reich, his book the Cost of Discipleship gives us a good look into where ones stands and views their ideas of God compared to where God sees your view of following Jesus.
What I really get out of Dietrich Bonhoeffer is the fact he throws this brick at you and myself included that you really are not doing anyone a favor by living a life that is not in step with what God deems to be righteous or the way we follow Jesus.
The idea of unjustly judging a person based on what they do or not do in sin can slow us down Bonhoeffer states it binds us in our own evils or sins so it then justifies others to do the same.
Turning a blind eye to sin and wrong doing because it is convenient for our lives is Cheap Grace
Costly Grace is ourselves dropping everything to follow Jesus, it will cost our lives but the price of admission is our everlasting souls with God.
Costly Grace means giving up our wants and desires because our desire is to follow Jesus.
It cost so much because people will look at us in a odd way, as out of touch with today’s reality as hypocrites, judgy, intolerant and hate filed because societies view of life is nonjudgemental, tolerance, and love that mirrors lust more so than life.
It will cost some more than others, our jobs and what we can do and not do in our little corner of our lives.
Costly Grace means we live by God’s standard not societies standard, we don’t lie because it is God’s standard not to lie. We don’t live our daily life like everyone else because it is not God’s standard to live through the world.
Costly Grace is choosing to obey God and forgetting what everyone else thinks or does because that is God’s standard.
If I don’t exemplify Gods conviction in myself then what good am I and who am I to God
James 4:17 So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.
Yes we are flawed, we are complete sinners, we do bad things but we hold to the standard of Jesus because he gave us real grace.
The disobedient cannot believe; only the obedient believe.– Dietrich Bonhoeffer
The above photo statement shows us two things that make Mormonism a false teaching. As we can see Mormons face similar issues that Christians do, they are misunderstood that they hate people or they shove their religion down people’s throat but make no mistake Mormons do not worship the same God as Christians do.
First, Mormonism and Christianity are not compatible because they do not worship the same God nor do the view God and Jesus the same as Christianity does. God was never just a man that grew into a God and no they will never become God or like God like Mormonism teaches.
Christianity’s view is that we were not put on this earth so as to earn ourselves to be worthy to return to God in heaven.Christians know we are not and never will be worthy in the site of God on our own merit. Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
We are put here on this earth to worship God, God alone, we follow Christ alone and the scriptures in the Holy Bible are the Holy word that is the breathed word of God and is sufficient for us alone.
Mormons do not worship Joseph Smith as this rightly points out but they rely on the Book of Mormons that was deciphered by Smith.
Christians would view the book of Mormons as a adding to the words of God and that is expressly forbidden. Genesis 3:1-3 Satan temps Eve and adds to the words of God thus killing all mankind as Adam sins against God by believing Satan’s words. Deuteronomy 4:2 “You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you. Revelation 22:18-19 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.
As Christians we need to pray for our brother and sister that are in the Mormon faith, these are good people that hold true to moral and ethical codes. We cannot agree that we are both Christians because we follow the teachings and understandings of a different God, we can both be wrong but we cannot both be right.
When we see and have conversations with our Mormon friends we need to understand them, know them and pray for them. Show them they do not worship the same God as in the Holy Bible and aid them to understanding why Christianity is different from Mormonism. 1 Peter 3:15
The reason why I write this blog is based on that I believe the idea of God creating the universe based in millions and billions of years only compromises with the secular world view and it has implications that are far more reaching than just difference of opinion.
If you have the time here is a nice little debate or conversation between the idea of young earth and old earth via Ken Ham and Hugh Ross. Ken Ham is young earth and backs his theology by scripture while Ross is old earth that is trying to interpret scripture and the Bible with the idea of fitting millions of years into the Biblical historical picture.
Most secularists will say both proponents Ham and Ross are wrong because the universe is billions of years old.
What I find as the problem with the old earth belief is there is not good evidence and you have to add to scripture to make the point while the young earth is better equipped to follow scripture.
Interesting out of a panel of six on this show, five of the guest believed in a young earth and one (Ross) believes in an old earth that included the big bang.
Out of that 5 only three so it was split evenly (with Ross being the 6th), but only three Ken Ham, Ray Comfort and Eric Hovid believed the scripture was more clear on the idea of each day as it was created by God (day being 24 hours) and that this statement of scripture was very important, not only understanding Biblical creation but it aided in the understanding of Biblical knowledge for everyone.
The interpretation of each creation day being one day (24 hour day) is important to teach people based on if we demand that people believe in the parting of the red seas, a virgin woman getting pregnant by the Holy Spirit and a man dying and coming back to life. How then can we tell people that in Genesis God was not talking about 24 hour day but he meant millions of years and that the passages of Genesis aids itself more to how modern science interprets the age of the earth via millions and billions of years.
On one end we demand people believe in supernatural events but in Genesis we compromise and say there is nothing supernatural how God created the universe. That statement maybe a bit over the top due to that Christians believing in a creation of a million years still view it as supernatural but the idea of God creating the world in 6 days has to be agreed as a bit more of a supernatural event than using a naturalistic way to explain creation.
Sean McDowell and John Bloom from Biola University were more on the fence of Biblical interpretation, McDowell even so far as to going there and saying so much as can we really know the true interpretation from Greek, Hebrew to English. I chalk McDowell statement to his youth; this statement is what secularist use to kill the conversation on Christians that don’t know there Biblical history or believe in actual words of our Biblical authors and we cannot accept such a statement.
Bloom and McDowell were willing to question interpretation while Comfort, Ham and Hovid felt that the Bible was God’s breathed word that all can know, people could know then (thousands of years ago) we can know now. 1 Timothy 3:16 Ephesians 4:11-16 and Hebrews 11: 1-40
McDowell and Bloom walk a slippery slope that will have you back peddling trying to explain Biblical truth in a sea of secular lies and it does not have to be that way if we take scripture at its word.
I believe Ross is trading certainty for truth and McDowell and Bloom are entertaining that idea as well Bloom more so than McDowell.
The truth is we can know scripture and what it says, understanding that not everyone will completely get what is being stated in every book or letter but the main theme of the Bible is God and following God. His grace to us and for us and how and why he did what he did for his creation.
You will see at the end of the video Ross offers a truce and I have no doubt Ross was very sincere just as I have no doubt Ross is a Bible believing man of God. The problem I have with Ross’s truce is it is not as the same way we can view the main purpose of truth from such men as George Whitfield and John Wesley.
Whitfield was a strong preacher of election with his main theme on salvation, while Wesley was a strong preacher on the will to know God with the main theme on salvation so we see two men that preached different styles had the same theme and that was salvation. This is what made these men great in the eyes of Biblical history the final authority was God and his salvation for you.
Ross’s truce is genuine but misguided based on the issue we live in different times than Wesley and Whitfield did; the average person had a standard of who was God and the respect of who God was not to mention being a pastor or evangelist during the 1700’s was a very respectable position.
Today’s western world does not respect God as it once did nor has a standard of who God is. Today’s western world does not respect men like Ross or Ham they view them as the enemy. People like Bill Nye who puts out hate messages that parents that teach creation are abusing their children.
We can easily see why main stream media and science who is desperate to be the grand daddy of all authority of life will mock and tear down our children and young people in the public arena.
How can we as Christians tell our children God did all these great supernatural things but that stuff in Genesis may not be literal, can you see why liberal Churches are not teaching that Jesus died or was born of a virgin, compromise to secularism to be relevant in today’s world is the in thing for people and Churches that think this is the only way to get people to God.
The difference between Ross and Ham is that Ham uses the Bible to interpret scripture for both knowing God and understanding God in a Biblical context with the final goal preaching the word of God for the purpose of following Jesus to salvation. Ross uses the Bible to prove science is correct and prove there is a God while returning a standard of the belief in God to science and while this is important without the notion of one following Jesus and putting God first before all things there is no real hope for people to know God.
Final thoughts I know those six men, Ham, Comfort, Hovid, Ross, McDowell and Bloom are good men of God and I know they want the best for bringing the Gospel to all people but the western world we live in is now requiring we either go with the world or against the world.
Trying to compromise or make a hybrid world view with a mix of some world and some Christianity will not work. It is not Biblical to mix Holiness with evil 1 Corinthians 15:33, like my old youth pastor use to say, two rivers running into each other, one is flowing clear blue water the other is dirty brown water and when the two come together and mix the clear blue water turns to dirty brown. The two cannot mix.
Yesterday’s Orlando’s terror attacked as it is being labeled created a world view that might be perplexing if you view things in a leftist way.
We have an attack or should we say a massacre by Islam a much protected religion under liberalism assaulting another well protected and highly prized group of people that practice what Islam considers as a sinful behavior; what are the elite liberals to do.
On one end the Obama administration has overly embraced Islam as peaceful they only site terrorism as its own entity apart of Muslims and core Islam but on the other hand the same administration has flipped over backwards to usher in homosexuality as the norm but they failed to give the memo to Islam do not attack homosexuality.
Do liberals really think a hard core religion like Islam that believes western society is morally reprehensible would embrace homosexuality which has been one of the main causes this administration has invested in.
Liberals have built a cage as you will and put a poisonous spider in the same cage as a group of bees and the spider has just killed 50 of those bees should we expect less.
Two groups who liberals expect everyone to tolerate could not be tolerated the other. Mind you Muslim hate the concept of tolerance to their religion it’s very disrespectful since they view Islam the true religion and Allah the true God and to tolerate send a message that you view them as wrong but you will tolerate the wrongness.
So how are liberals to twist this event well here it is.
ACLU the champion of liberalism has blamed Christians for this very shooting.
The idea of having thoughts and prayers for the victims and the families is Islamophobic and because Christians view homosexuality as sinful behavior that is the cause for the massacre.
Okay let’s put this in a Christian world view perspective. Praying for people and their families that have fallen victims of this tragedy does not disrespect Muslims; attention liberals, if you are not aware Muslim pray as well have you ever heard of a prayer rug?
Christians have not labeled homosexuality as sin God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit all have described the behavior as sinful. Islam does not believe in the triune God that such as Christians do so there is no reason why they would take any influence from a Christian perspective.
Christianity does not condone an anti queer climate that includes murdering people based on the sin they wallow in. Christianity requires repentance of sin it does not attack, kill or injure sinners it would be self defeating since we are in sin.
The sinful nature of liberalism has protected a sin that has killed another sin that is highly prized in their world view and now they must pawn it off on something else that liberals hate, either Christians or guns and preferably both.
Finally super intelligent Seth McFarland has figured out a way to fix this problem and that is ban automatic weapons.
The problem with this brilliant line of thinking is automatic weapons were already banned from this nightclub and look what happened.
I’m sure McFarland would come back and say ban auto guns then mass shootings can’t happen.
Okay let’s not forget it’s just as easy to set off pipe bombs, explosives, poisoning people, mass killings with automobiles by running down people ect. ect. ect.
The Christian world view doesn’t ban tools but demands the heart and mind follow Jesus.
Biblical principles are of peaceful resolutions to adversities, one does not need to rebuke his neighbor for owning a sword when instead he can show the world that a sword can be used for good not evil.
Abortion has to end now, pro life and right to life groups are for slow incrementalism.
The goal is to slowly change the laws state by state all the while change the hearts and minds of humans that abortion is wrong.
I completely understand this but logically this form of action makes no sense.
For one point of logic the right to kill an unborn child with the idea that the baby is not a real human these days is antiquated and out dated at best.
In an age of 3D sonograms and medical sonograms that show at 5 weeks (one month) this is a baby and we are still saying “yes you can kill that child”.
Interesting note do a web search on sonograms and just about every medical site uses the term baby not globs of cells.
It took one day in 1973 for unelected judges to legalize killing our offspring yet we are expected to be patient and allow smart guys using the political process to slowly change the law through court cases one at a time. In the meantime millions of babies are being killed each year, in this country alone over a billion world wide since 1973.
The logical option is to end abortion now, every state needs to end abortion now today not tomorrow.
So what if the federal government says its legal, each state can still end abortion now.
Plenty of states have laws that are contrary to federal law yet they choose not to follow or the Feds choose not to prosecute so the precedent has been set many years ago, we don’t need judges to tell our states what kind of killing is right and wrong we need to end abortion now.
The logic is today all states make abortion illegal and criminal.
Now that it is illegal then pro life, right to life and all the good men and women everywhere can start explaining why killing your child is wrong. Why life is important, we educate people we educate our children why life is better alive than dead.
It is easier to explain to somebody why somethings is wrong to do when it’s wrong to do it.
When something is against the law you have a precedence on your side, you have the the legal right to explain why it’s wrong, the morality of the issue makes more sense because the law states this is wrong.
The ethics and philosophy of the law makes more sense and scientifically it confirms that yes there is a baby in that belly yes there is life living here.
Pro life and pro choice cannot be a preference, it cannot be an opinion abortion has to end now we owe this to our children and to the human race.
Logic demands we end abortion now
I very much enjoy Dietrich Bonhoeffer and this quote is one reason why. It is overwhelming the truth in any society here there or in any century.
A few months ago I was trolled on social media into a conversation with a devout atheist/agnostic I only add the agnostic because he would kind of admit that he didn’t know for sure if there was or not intelligent design but he was bent on doing his best to rebel by denying there was no God.
What sparked the conversation was a FB friend had posted a meme that featured a smashed watch that no longer worked that basically said let us see if is broken watch will evolve itself into a working watch. I added a reply and so did our atheist by saying let’s drop some sand on the floor and see if God will create a human, you know how God took Adam from the earth and breathed life into him.
My first thought was “well God has been there and done that, besides he used a bone from Adam to create the second human Eve so why use dirt again”.
The conversation went on and on but believe it or not I finally got our atheist to civilly admit unless he saw proof there was no way he could believe in a God, at least he was honest I can respect that much.
My next thought was even if you saw God, you would not believe. Jesus said in Luke 16:31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from the dead.’” Those words still ring true today as God has written on our hearts yet some still rebel and deny. Romans 2:13-15
This takes me to when I was listening to Ravi Zacharias one day and he had made a statement that I believe is very true, Ravi was convinced that Jesus came during the time period he did for good reason.
If God had came in a more modern time where we humans could record Jesus by photograph we would turn that image into an idol, I would add to that if we had visual proof of God most would make that proof into an visual or physical idols and then worship those images instead of worshiping God himself “why” you ask, because that is the way we humans are.
If God came down and visited us nothing new now would happen as it did then when he sent his son Jesus two thousand years ago.
The proof of God would be there as a digital image but still groups would be formed called the atheist magicians and they would try and explain how Jesus fed thousands with a few pita breads and a can of sardines and turned water into White Zinfandel using smoke and mirrors or used the power of suggestion.
Medical experts would try and explain away the physical and mental healing’s and first hand site miracles like the calming of the sea and the mount of transfiguration would be chalked up to cult like followers that would say or do anything to make Jesus or God appear supernatural.
God’s image would be liked and shared otherwise you won’t receive a blessing, pin it on your board and look my image I tweeted is trending well.
People first would give God’s image way freely but eventually the paparazzi would sell behind the scenes images of God doing miracles and the next thing you know we would be worshiping those photos.
You no longer need to have faith that the actual God of the Bible existed just stare at your photo or have a digitally enhanced stone cutter carve out a life size likeness of God.
There would be no mystery in who God was for some because you have his photo on your phone. Just pray to your phone and believe.
New mega churches would pop up everywhere in all denominations with God’s image front in centered, mood lighting, little plastic necklaces to wear and rub in your hands when your not sure or scared.
Why God sent his son Jesus to die and returned to heaven would no longer have meaning because I have his actual photo on my electronic photo frame who needs to study the Bible, Jesus is not in heaven he’s on my tablet my sins are forgiven just looking at my image the resolution is remarkable
My atheist troll would still not believe even if he said he saw some proof because like all people of his mentality there is never enough proof.
On the same notion a new breed of non believers would pop up, oh sure they saw Jesus, they have his image but that is all they want or think they need. No need to follow Jesus I saw God he’s on my computer I’m good to go.
No reason to crack open my Bible and listen for the Holy Spirit to speak to me God is on your front porch or on the fireplace mantel and I say a prayer to that image every night before I go to bed so I now have faith.
Bonhoeffer was absolutely right a God that would let us see and examine every megapixels of his existence without first believing in him and acknowledging his existence would just become an idol.
Some people would eventually throw their image into the trash because its everywhere why hold on to it, some would hoard even more images obsessing over them without truly understanding why he made them and what their existence is for.
Finely others will call him great but deny he was God because look I can see him, a true God that can do all things is beyond any humans approach.
The problem is not that we do not have good laws on liberty much less religious laws of liberty. The problem is we don’t enforce laws of liberty in favor of political correctness.
The problem is we allow bad statesmen to create or reinterpret laws to favor political correctness in the name of tolerance and equality all the while not tolerating the original law, the how and why those laws were written.
The problem can be solved by society electing good statesmen that design good laws and appoint good moral and just judges.
The blame lays with us the society that refuses to take a risk in favor of their pocket books or any other material idem that we accumulate.
The blame lies in our insatiable appetite for material things over righteous and just things.
The blame lies on us when the statesmen we elect and who they appoint turn on us so they can keep themselves in power because of their increased appétite for power and material things over righteous and just things.
We are to blame, we picked out the rope, found the tree and had the statesmen put the noose over our necks and they grabbed our material chair out from under us.
Matthew 6:19-21 Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust[e] destroy and where thieves break in and steal, 20 but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
The newest assault on Christianity from the liberal Christian crowd is labeling Israel’s second king David as a rapist.
Not surprising of this, liberal Christianity has no regard to understanding the Bible just creating doubt for others. The first assault was calling David a homosexual or calling his friendship with King Saul (the first King of Israel’s son) Jonathan a homosexual act because the two were very close friends and now we are told David was a rapist.
We are told to believe that David rapped Bathsheba; it was against her will, this actually very telling of Christians that sell this bill of goods. They assert that the Bible is inaccurate and is withholding information in the name of a male oriented God or writer.
The story of David is long and laced with disobedience but most importantly it is filled with repentance from David to God.
First we need to understand God was very disappointed in Israel for wanting a king other than God himself. If you read 1 Samuel 8:1-18 God gives the people of Israel a king but tells Samuel the people have disobeyed him (God) in doing so. Israel, we can see here is not trusting God, they are fearful that Samuel will die and leave wrong people to judge them and lead them so they demand a Kind. In doing so God teaches them a lesson that they can never get out of because they doubted him with leadership and it cost them their kingdom.
In picking a king for Israel we the reader can see why disobeying and doubting God is so dangerous. We see Israel now has to rely on men to govern them, fallible, lying, sometimes good, and sometimes bad men that will always let down this nation.
First king is appointed by God through Samuel as Saul. Saul is given a commandment by God through Samuel to kill and rid all witches and fortune tellers of Israel. Saul disobeys this command by sparing one fortune teller and using the witch because of his doubt and this cost not only King Saul’s life but his son Jonathan’s life as will.
1 Samuel 16: 11-13 Samuel is told by God that he has rejected the first king of Israel and tells Samuel to go to the house of Jesse and he will anoint anther king, that King was to be David. The key here is God is anointing David as king; David doesn’t fall backwards into the position as Kind but is appointed by God.
Now the rape allegation; liberal Christians are telling us David raped Bathsheba against her will. Because the Bible does not say Bathsheba opposed her contact and adultery with King David they (liberal Christians) insist since David was king and there is no way she could have said no. Understanding David was King, rape could have been the easy thing to do and no one but God would have opposed.
The problem with that form of reasoning David raped Bathsheba is it doesn’t follow the text of the Bible, so one has to conclude based on liberal Christianity reasoning: 1 The Bible was written to hide the rape from the reader so as not to cast ill on David (makes zero sense since David is full of ill and disappointment to us all through his rein). 2 This book is written by a man and men have no clue what rape is and will hide it if it does appear. (This thinking is called heresy because it states the writer of the book is not following God when writing. The book is not inspired by God. Begs to wonder how it got in to the cannon if was not the inspired work of God). Textual reasoning gives us this: David is guilty of power abuse, adultery, murder and overall disobeying God that leads to death of more than one person.
The text of the Bible or the book of Samuel is very telling when somebody is saying “no” or being warned by God. 2nd Samuel 11:11 David is told by Uriah (the man who David covets his wife Bathsheba) that David’s responsibility is with the Ark of the covenant and fighting with his men. This blatant disobedience of David to God based on his lust for Bathsheba, it cost Uriah’s life. We are not told Bathsheba ever opposed David in his lust for her so liberal Christians chalk this up that because David was the King and there is no way she could have said no.
The key text here in 2nd Samuel chapter 11 is because David fell into his lust he fell out of holiness with God. James B Jordan puts it as such “Uriah’s protests serve to highlight David’s sin, his sin of not going out to fight as a king was supposed to do (11:1). If David had been with the Ark in the field, he also would have been under conditions of holiness that would have prevented him from having sex with his wives (Deuteronomy 23:10; Exodus 19:15).
Further we see in 2nd Samuel chapter 13 7-14 we find the rape of David’s daughter Tamar by this son (Tamar’s half bother) Amnon in which Tamar protest. Key here is protest. Bathsheba does not protest yet Tamar does protest, Biblical text does give us lead to know the difference between lust between David and Bathsheba and rape or violation of Tamar by Amnon.
Liberal Christians might now argue that well of course we have protest we are talking incest rape the most vial of rape. This is why understanding the Bible requires us to read and discern Biblical text before leveling accusations and interpreting scripture beyond the Biblical text something progressive Christianity often fails to do.
The start of the David Bathsheba incident caused a calamity for David and his household and those who were close. The key here is that David sinned but he repented from his sin 2nd Samuel 12:13-14 but even with that it cost David and Bathsheba the life of their child. David repents of his sins as we see 2nd Samuel 12:13, Psalm 32, and 51
We also need to look at before we level accusations towards David to know who David was. 1st Samuel 13:14 God tells Samuel to Saul that because he had acted foolishly he will replace him as king with a man after his own heart. Acts 13:22 the inspired word of God reiterates this. Ron Edmondson gives us 10 reasons why David was a man after God’s own heart. David was Humble, reverent, respectful, trusting, loving, devoted, recognition, faithful, and obedient.
It is troubling to see people that call themselves Christians to take such a man like David and try and change our view of him but I assume this is the point of liberal Christianity to take what is of God and change it, redefine it and relabeled it.
What I would say is this, we first might know and understand what the concept here is, what is to be learned from God, and how does this give glory to God something the life of David does give
King David was many things, he did much bad and sin in his own life and for that he suffered and his kingdom suffered with the point being Israel rebuked God for a human king and when one does that they become lost.
With all the sinful deeds David fell into he never stopped loving God, he never stopped trusting and giving God the glory. I believe this is why God used David for his saving grace by using his family line to bring Jesus to us as noted by 2nd Samuel 7 and John 7:42